[Newsbot]

Title: Earliest ape adapted to walk upright found in Germany
Category: Science
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2019-11-07 01:04:25

[N_Fiddledog]

So why isn't this front page, top of the broadcast news then?

Isn't it kind of a "Bye Felicia" to Lucy?

Or as the article puts it:

"While many people think of Africa as the cradle of humanity, Begun has been studying ape fossils in Europe since 1981. He said hundreds of fossils have been found from a dozen species of apes that lived from about 12 million to 7 million years ago, in countries like Spain, France, Germany and Hungary, which were covered in subtropical forest at the time.

Not only do they show the first adaptations for walking upright, but the development of big brains and human-like teeth adapted for eating harder foods on the ground instead of soft fruits in the trees. In fact, he thinks a previous hominin he discovered with Boehme that lived 7.2 million years ago may have been an early human.

'Europe was the place where really important things were happening that form the basis for what we are today.'"

[BeaverFever]

1) No because this article is about an ancient ape millions of years older than Lucy. Lucy is not an ape she is a hominid

2) This article is about an ancient ape species not previously known to exist, it’s not about an ancestor to humans. While it tells us bipedal apes were not unique to Africa, Lucy and later modern humans are descended only from the African species.

[llama66]

Interesting find.

[fifeboy]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

So why isn't this front page, top of the broadcast news then?

Isn't it kind of a "Bye Felicia" to Lucy?

Or as the article puts it:

"While many people think of Africa as the cradle of humanity, Begun has been studying ape fossils in Europe since 1981. He said hundreds of fossils have been found from a dozen species of apes that lived from about 12 million to 7 million years ago, in countries like Spain, France, Germany and Hungary, which were covered in subtropical forest at the time.

Not only do they show the first adaptations for walking upright, but the development of big brains and human-like teeth adapted for eating harder foods on the ground instead of soft fruits in the trees. In fact, he thinks a previous hominin he discovered with Boehme that lived 7.2 million years ago may have been an early human.

'Europe was the place where really important things were happening that form the basis for what we are today.'"

About this not being front page news....I was hoping you could enlighten us. Why PP, why?

[Tricks]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

1) No because this article is about an ancient ape millions of years older than Lucy. Lucy is not an ape she is a hominid

2) This article is about an ancient ape species not previously known to exist, it’s not about an ancestor to humans. While it tells us bipedal apes were not unique to Africa, Lucy and later modern humans are descended only from the African species.

But evolving from a species from Africa makes us dirty because that's where black people are from. And we don't like black people.

The biggest of /s

[llama66]

Of course this ape is German, it's related to my ex-girlfriend.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

1) No because this article is about an ancient ape millions of years older than Lucy. Lucy is not an ape she is a hominid.

Congratulations on knowing the word 'hominid', Beave, but actually the modern definition of "hominid" can include great apes such as Orangutans and Chimpanzees.

You might want to read this one concerning this recent discovery of Danuvius.

Remains of a new hominid from Germany (more than 11.5 million years old) change our views on the evolution of great apes and humans

You may be looking for the term "hominin" which infers human ancestry. You'll notice "Danuvius" (this new discovery) can also be referred to by that term.

The idea Lucy was the earliest example of human evolution and Africa was the cradle of humanity is a theory.

Now, I notice that some, like you and Tricks for example, get angry when that theory is called into question by an opposing hypothesis.

By some weird twist in logic this "out of Africa" thing allows you to think of yourselves as "Progressive" and by a sort of ideological insanity demands you never allow the possibility of any other explanation.

Some of us however believe in following the data.

[stratos]

Admit it none of knew there were once in Apes in Europe. To me that is a cool thing to learn.

[N_Fiddledog]

stratos stratos:

Admit it none of knew there were once in Apes in Europe. To me that is a cool thing to learn.

Well, I'd heard of neanderthals of course, knew they were Eurasian, and assumed they evolved out of something, but apes running around Europe 12 million years ago, yeah, that's cool, and I hadn't heard that before.

I did hear about alligator-like creatures in the arctic though so I can't say European ape-like creatures surprise me.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

But evolving from a species from Africa makes us dirty because that's where black people are from. And we don't like black people.

The biggest of /s

Caucasians, Asians, and Negroes have common ancestors. I don't know of anyone who says that one modern day group is or was descendant from another extant modern day group.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

But evolving from a species from Africa makes us dirty because that's where black people are from. And we don't like black people.

The biggest of /s

Caucasians, Asians, and Negroes have common ancestors. I don't know of anyone who says that one modern day group is or was descendant from another extant modern day group.

You probably don't spend enough time around people who don't understand evolution then.

People seem to interpret "we share a common ancestor with apes" as "We evolved from apes". And then ask why there are still apes.

People are idiots.

[raydan]

We share a common ancestor with pretty much every species on this planet.

[llama66]

raydan raydan:

We share a common ancestor with pretty much every species on this planet.

We don't share a common ancestor with Mosquitoes. or Tricks.

[N_Fiddledog]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

But evolving from a species from Africa makes us dirty because that's where black people are from. And we don't like black people.

The biggest of /s

Caucasians, Asians, and Negroes have common ancestors. I don't know of anyone who says that one modern day group is or was descendant from another extant modern day group.

You probably don't spend enough time around people who don't understand evolution then.

People seem to interpret "we share a common ancestor with apes" as "We evolved from apes". And then ask why there are still apes.

People are idiots.

I heard an interesting one recently. Somebody somewhere - can't remember who - was saying the wolf sub-species that dogs evolved from has since gone extinct.

Still...that always fascinated me that chihuahuas and Saint Bernards both evolved from sort of wolf.

But yeah, it is stupid when some people are so locked into some rigid accepted brand of thought they won't listen to any evidence to the contrary. Like for example, these dummies who get all pissy and start calling names or strutting about posturing superior virtue when you suggest it might not be true that "out of Africa" is the only acceptable possibility for the origin of humanity.