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Title: Dziekanski death at hands of RCMP a homicide, B.C. coroner rules
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2013-04-09 01:26:35
Canadian

[martin14]

6 fucking years too late.

Well done.

[uwish]

and isn't all the police involved in this incident been accused of lying?

[andyt]

uwish uwish:

and isn't all the police involved in this incident been accused of lying?

they're going to trial for perjury - the cops actually involved in the tasering. For some reason their superiors who urged them to lie and facilitated it (put them all in the same room after the incident) aren't charged.

[Freakinoldguy]

I love how they use semantics to sensationalize the story and yet the term they use means something completely different to the law.

As was quoted in the Vancouver Sun:

$1:

Homicide is a death due to an injury intentionally inflicted by the action of another person," wrote Patrick Cullinane in his final report released Monday. It is a neutral term that does not imply fault or blame.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/years+ ... story.html

No fekin wonder our Justice system is in total disarray. We've got Coroners using the term Homicide as a non indictable term and law enforcement using it as an indictable offense.

Well gang WTF is it? If I go out tommorow and murder my neighbour did I committ a homicide or did I just fuck up a little???

Pathetic really.

[BartSimpson]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Well gang WTF is it? If I go out tommorow and murder my neighbour did I committ a homicide or did I just fuck up a little???

Seems to me the question hinges on if you have one of these:



If you do then all you did was a mere human error that anyone could understand. If not, then you're a heinous and cold blooded killer who can expect no mercy from the justice system.

[Freakinoldguy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Well gang WTF is it? If I go out tommorow and murder my neighbour did I committ a homicide or did I just fuck up a little???

Seems to me the question hinges on if you have one of these:



If you do then all you did was a mere human error that anyone could understand. If not, then you're a heinous and cold blooded killer who can expect no mercy from the justice system.

Probably. But in fairness they aren't all like our friend Corporal Monty Robinson.............thank God.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I love how they use semantics to sensationalize the story and yet the term they use means something completely different to the law.

As was quoted in the Vancouver Sun:

$1:

Homicide is a death due to an injury intentionally inflicted by the action of another person," wrote Patrick Cullinane in his final report released Monday. It is a neutral term that does not imply fault or blame.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/years+ ... story.html

No fekin wonder our Justice system is in total disarray. We've got Coroners using the term Homicide as a non indictable term and law enforcement using it as an indictable offense.

Well gang WTF is it? If I go out tommorow and murder my neighbour did I committ a homicide or did I just fuck up a little???

Pathetic really.

Can you point to the term homicide in the criminal code? I'm not sure homicide is term with legal meaning except how the coroner uses it in Canada. Don't we use the terms manslaughter and murder to indicate homicide and also criminal negligence causing death (= manslaughter). Anybody awake knows that the coroner uses homicide as a neutral term. Don't see what the fuss is here.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I love how they use semantics to sensationalize the story and yet the term they use means something completely different to the law.

As was quoted in the Vancouver Sun:

$1:

Homicide is a death due to an injury intentionally inflicted by the action of another person," wrote Patrick Cullinane in his final report released Monday. It is a neutral term that does not imply fault or blame.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/years+ ... story.html

No fekin wonder our Justice system is in total disarray. We've got Coroners using the term Homicide as a non indictable term and law enforcement using it as an indictable offense.

Well gang WTF is it? If I go out tommorow and murder my neighbour did I committ a homicide or did I just fuck up a little???

Pathetic really.

Can you point to the term homicide in the criminal code? I'm not sure homicide is term with legal meaning except how the coroner uses it in Canada. Don't we use the terms manslaughter and murder to indicate homicide and also criminal negligence causing death (= manslaughter). Anybody awake knows that the coroner uses homicide as a neutral term. Don't see what the fuss is here.

Culpable Homicide: Causing death by a wrongful act or criminal negligence or by the other means described in Criminal Code s. 222(5);

http://jurist.law.utoronto.ca/dictionary.htm

Section 222: HOMICIDE
Prohibits a person from causing the death of a human being
1.by means of an unlawful act
2.by criminal negligence
3.by causing that human being, by threats of fear of violence or by deception to do anything that causes his death or
4.prohibits homicide by willfully frightening that human being (child)
Maximum Penalty: Indictable: Life

Now if you in wouldn't mind showing me your references where it says that the term homicide has no legal meaning in Canada?

BTW it would appear that I'm not the one who's asleep in this matter.

[andyt]

From your link:

$1:

Homicide: Causing the death of a person;

They're using it exactly as the coroner uses it. I've never yet heard of somebody being charged with homicide - always murder manslaughter.

As for being asleep, every time a coroner returns a finding of homicide, the newspapers explain that it's a neutral term not assigning blame. Ie another person caused the death of the person in question, but that doesn't mean there's any culpability on the part of that person. Like when the cops shoot somebody and it's deemed a legit shooting. Thats a homicide. So if this is really news to you, then you have been doing a bit of a Rip Van Winkle on this topic.

[uwish]

sure, being not culpability here...

those bully's with a badge are directly responsible for the death of that man, then LIED about what happened. Not only did they kill him, they conspired to cover it up.

bully's with a badge. No other word for it. I hope they rot in jail.

[Freakinoldguy]

andyt andyt:

From your link:

$1:

Homicide: Causing the death of a person;

They're using it exactly as the coroner uses it. I've never yet heard of somebody being charged with homicide - always murder manslaughter.

As for being asleep, every time a coroner returns a finding of homicide, the newspapers explain that it's a neutral term not assigning blame. Ie another person caused the death of the person in question, but that doesn't mean there's any culpability on the part of that person. Like when the cops shoot somebody and it's deemed a legit shooting. Thats a homicide. So if this is really news to you, then you have been doing a bit of a Rip Van Winkle on this topic.

I must be missing a lot when reading because to be honest, I've never heard the term homicide used by a coroner unless it involved a murder.

I've known 2 coroners, both for the city of Victoria and neither one ever mentioned it when they were regaling us with their macabre stories, so it makes me wonder why they'd use a term that is synonymous with a violent act ending in death and needs to be explained every time it's printed in a newspaper especially for things as innocuous as natural death?

And to be honest I don't think I'm the only person who thinks this.

[Unsound]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that the confusion here I caused by differences between Canadian and american legal language.

It seem to happen quite often that a huge amount of your average Canadian's legal knowledge comes from american TV and movies, which gives us a distorted idea of what out open laws and legal language actually are.

[andyt]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

I must be missing a lot when reading because to be honest, I've never heard the term homicide used by a coroner unless it involved a murder.

I've known 2 coroners, both for the city of Victoria and neither one ever mentioned it when they were regaling us with their macabre stories, so it makes me wonder why they'd use a term that is synonymous with a violent act ending in death and needs to be explained every time it's printed in a newspaper especially for things as innocuous as natural death?

And to be honest I don't think I'm the only person who thinks this.

Well, I don't know what's wrong with you all. Read a report about a coroner's inquest where somebody died due to the actions of another and it's called homicide. Each time the paper will explain that it's a neutral term not applying blame. Ian Bush - homicide. Etc. I sometimes wonder if I'm the only one reading the paper anymore. There are so many reports there that are what I think is pretty standard knowledge that I get challenged on this forum about as if it's from the moon or something. Feeling like an old grouch myself at this point.