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Title: Disillusioned British jihadists stuck in Turkey because they are too scared to come back to UK
Category: Funny
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2014-10-06 00:28:29

[martin14]

$1:

Many of the disillusioned fighters are seeking to travel to countries such as Pakistan and Bangladesh where their parents have roots because they fear imprisonment if they come back to Britain.

Nice to see them going home.

Otherwise, let them rot.

[andyt]

Yes, except done right they could be powerful dissuasion against going jihadi. The Brits should try to work something out.

[grainfedprairieboy]

andyt andyt:

Yes, except done right they could be powerful dissuasion against going jihadi. The Brits should try to work something out.

Keeping them out of Britain is already a next to best case scenario. (Best case being dead killing other jihadis).

Say andyt, in your opinion how much of Canada by percentage would ideally be made up of Muslims?

[andyt]

This is my fourth and last time to answer your question. I don't care about the religion that people follow. My only concern is that we have a sufficient number of voting Canadians that want to keep a clear separation of church and state and resist the push by any religious group to do otherwise.

So what's your ideal number? How would you enforce this? Write in a religious quota in our immigration system? Limit the number of children that Muslims who are already here are allowed to bear with any overage being removed and given to live in a home of different religion? Only allow a limited number of conversions every year? Any other religions you want to enforce a quota on? Sikhism is associated with the desire to have their own homeland, and they have caused by far ther worst act of terror ever seen by Canada. What should be their quoata? Native spirituality in part drives Natives agitating for greater power - limit that? Hasidic Jews have shown they will try to push around other Canadians as far as women's rights go, and demand special privileges. Quota for them? Tamils are in a religious conflict in Sri Lanka, have have been found to be fundraising for terrorism in Canada. Quota for them? Fundamentalist Christians would love to see creationism taught in school, reversal of gay marriage and no abortions. Quota for them?

[grainfedprairieboy]

andyt andyt:

This is my fourth and last time to answer your question

It is your fifth actually and I will relentlessly hound you in every Islamic thread until you are forced/shamed/inspired to actually take a moment and consider your own thoughts which might challenge your own preconceived position.

andyt andyt:

I don't care about the religion that people follow.

That is not the question. For clarity the question is: IYHO, WHAT % OF THE CANADIAN POPULATION SHOULD BE MUSLIM?

It is not a trick question.

It is not a question with an actual right or wrong answer.

It is a fair question deserving of an answer instead of dodging.

andyt andyt:

So what's your ideal number?

No more than 5% (which is double what we currently have) until such time as Islam undergoes a cultural reformation similar to Christianity and becomes far more moderate.

andyt andyt:

How would you enforce this?

With respect to immigration I would set religious quotas the same way we already set quotas with everyone from the Irish to the African refugees. Why should religion get a free pass when it is far more dangerous to any country to allow open religious over ethnic immigration. To be clear, I am not saying less Muslims from Pakistan but rather more diluting Hindus from India as a regional example.

I would force immigrants to be aware that the culture they are moving to may be very different from the one they are leaving and they must be willing to accept that fact prior to be granted citizenship. Maybe watching a few hours of porn, accepting in writing that their daughters will be likely coaxed into a lipstick lesbian threesome by their dirty white boy boyfriends and swearing an allegiance to God/Allah to uphold and defend homosexual rights?

I would do away with all multiculturalism and encourage a societal shift towards Canadian nation building rather than dividing us along ethnic, nationalistic or religious lines.

I would do away with Madrassas and any other tax funded religious/ethnic schools.

I would do away with dual citizenship. I would only allow those to immigrate here who have dreamed their whole lives of being "beer swilling hockey nuts annually eating their weight in Kraft Dinner and driving a Zamboni all over Saskatchewan".

andyt andyt:

Any other religions you want to enforce a quota on?

Yes. All of them.

andyt andyt:

Tamils are in a religious conflict in Sri Lanka, have have been found to be fundraising for terrorism in Canada. Quota for them?

Political or religious extremists of any sort should not be permitted in Canada and our current system doesn't really try to weed them out. Taking away dual citizenship, tightening up who is allowed to come here and actively kicking out those wingnuts who fall through the cracks would make things better for the actual Tamils who want to visit peeler bars or get hammered at the lake watching the Labour Day classic more free to do so as they are the primary victims of other Tamils.

andyt andyt:

Fundamentalist Christians would love to see creationism taught in school, reversal of gay marriage and no abortions. Quota for them?

Fundamentalist anyone shouldn't be allowed in Canada. For those already here or who are being converted here they should be free to choose then advocate their position and beliefs however, there should be no tax funded religious schools and the private or charter ones should by law not be permitted to teach outside the curriculum.

[bootlegga]

Too bad for them, the whole point of being an adult is taking responsibility for your actions.

They made their bed, now it's time to lie in it.

[Thanos]

Be a good opportunity for a plainclothes SAS squad to make a discrete visit to Turkey for some wetworks practice. Doubt the Turks would care all that much about a handful of additional bodies found floating in the harbour.

[martin14]

grainfedprairieboy grainfedprairieboy:

and driving a Zamboni all over Saskatchewan".

with or without a toque ?

[andyt]

@gfp. OK 42 will be my answer to everything. I can't give you a number I don't have in my head, I'm not just going to make up a number.

You realize how insane you proposals are about limiting religious percentages, right? Not allowing fundamentalists in Canada (are we going to kick out all the ones born here?)

All I propose is that the state become even more secular, maintain a strict division between church and state and I have people attacking me. You propose setting quotas on all religions, not a peep from anybody. Strange, that. Probably because I said we might have to ban official Christmas holidays. Funny, how your much more radical proposals get a pass. CKA is indeed a strange place.

[Thanos]

Your proposal was bullshit because you want to go after religious people that aren't causing the problems and at the same time you take a completely hands-off "poor misunderstood babbies" approach to the ones that are causing nothing but trouble. Typical liberal nonsense and everyone here knows it.

[andyt]

You're reading my posts again. Strange that. You're Ok with enforcing quotas on all religions. Even stranger.

[ShepherdsDog]

andy was almost cute as a baby

[grainfedprairieboy]

andyt andyt:

@gfp. OK 42 will be my answer to everything. I can't give you a number I don't have in my head, I'm not just going to make up a number.

If you seriously take a moment to consider it you will come up with a number between 0 and 100. That you can't or won't shows how ideologically blind you are.

I ask again; IYHO, what % of the Canadian population should be Islamic.

I've done it. Quit being a baby and man up to the question.

Given some of your previous posts on secularism I am guessing the number is less than 50%.

andyt andyt:

You realize how insane you proposals are about limiting religious percentages, right? Not allowing fundamentalists in Canada (are we going to kick out all the ones born here?)

Kick out the ones who break Canadian laws and violate our collective secular sensibilities and please tell me how it is "insane" to put quotas on the religious but on the Irish it is OK?

andyt andyt:

All I propose is that the state become even more secular, maintain a strict division between church and state and I have people attacking me. You propose setting quotas on all religions, not a peep from anybody. Strange, that. Probably because I said we might have to ban official Christmas holidays. Funny, how your much more radical proposals get a pass. CKA is indeed a strange place.

Maybe because I treat all religions equally? Maybe because I am not defending the indefensible? I am not calling for the banning of Kosher or Halal foods. I am not advocating for the stifling of the celebrations Hanukkah of Ramadan so Hindus and Buddhists don't feel excluded.

Is Christmas about religion in Canada still? I wasn't aware of that. I know it has historical origins in religion but so do our laws regarding murder and theft and I don't think you are suggesting those be tossed out due to Christian origins.

What I am calling for is the restriction of practice and/or immigration for any religious extremists of any faith it's just the majority of extremists around the world today happen to be Muslim.

[andyt]

That's enough now. You carry quotas in your head, I don't. being a secularist doesn't mean wanting to limit religion outside of govt. It also doesn't mean being an atheist, which I'm not. All it means is wanting a clear separation of govt and religion. don't care if 100% of Canada became Muslim as long as that separation was maintened. Well 99.9999999%, since I for one would not become a Muslim. Or a Christian (as commonly understood). I'm not even a Buddhist, tho I was.