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Title: Cop 'lost (his) cool' in killing Sammy Yatim, Crown tells Forcillo�s murder trial | Toronto Star
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: shockedcanadian
Date: 2015-12-01 03:02:30
Canadian

[uwish]

he can say whatever he likes, the video is pretty indisputable. He killed him and has been charged accordingly, he will be convicted and sent to jail where likely, he will be killed.

[BeaverFever]

I would say him being killed in jail is actually pretty unlikely.

[2Cdo]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

I would say him being killed in jail is actually pretty unlikely.

I agree. He'll go right into protection custody beyond reach of the other inmates.

[BartSimpson]

It only took 28 months for this to go to trial?

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

It only took 28 months for this to go to trial?

This is Canada, that's how we roll. Many people spend years in prison awaiting trial. If they're found not guilty, too bad, so sad you lost all that time. The state should have to pay people imprisoned who are found not guilty. That would get them to put enough money into the court system so this sort of crap doesn't happen.

[desertdude]

The US is no different, plus their prison system is a lot more violent than yours. I remember seeing this interview where this white supremacist decapitated some other inmate as somekind of an initiation, while awaiting a murder trial. Ironically he was found not guilty on his original murder charge but ended up serving life without parole for his prison murder

[shockedcanadian]

At this point I consider the public safety of Toronto, I don't want him to ever be in possession of a gun again. He was the only one to fire a shot even though 25 officers were surrounding the streetcar, his reason for not closing the doors from the outside is weak at best; an outright lie under oath at worst (hey, there's that "oath" word again) and the situation was far less of a threat before his arrival. He should not be an officer, probably never should have been based on his reaction and his arguments.

If he is found guilty and placed in prison he shouldn't be in general population, sufficient protections for his safety should and will be in place. He has to do his time behind bars which allows society to be protected, he shouldn't be given a death sentence. Even those found guilty in society have rights and expected supports when needed, and so it should be.

Ultimately, I predict now as I did after the event happened, he will walk and will have a gun on his side within a week after the trial ends. When the Crown asked for a murder charge the battle was already going to be uphill, they could have went for a lesser charge which in my opinion would have been sufficient and ensured this officer wouldn't continue to threaten Toronto in the future with more poor decisions.

I think once he was called a "p____y" by Yatim it bothered him enough that he was just itching for an excuse to shoot him.

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

The US is no different, plus their prison system is a lot more violent than yours. I remember seeing this interview where this white supremacist decapitated some other inmate as somekind of an initiation, while awaiting a murder trial. Ironically he was found not guilty on his original murder charge but ended up serving life without parole for his prison murder

They get to trial much quicker than we do, that was my point. No doubt their prison system is more brutal than ours, the same way their society is.

[andyt]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

At this point I consider the public safety of Toronto, I don't want him to ever be in possession of a gun again. He was the only one to fire a shot even though 25 officers were surrounding the streetcar, his reason for not closing the doors from the outside is weak at best; an outright lie under oath at worst (hey, there's that "oath" word again) and the situation was far less of a threat before his arrival. He should not be an officer, probably never should have been based on his reaction and his arguments.

If he is found guilty and placed in prison he shouldn't be in general population, sufficient protections for his safety should and will be in place. He has to do his time behind bars which allows society to be protected, he shouldn't be given a death sentence. Even those found guilty in society have rights and expected supports when needed, and so it should be.

Ultimately, I predict now as I did after the event happened, he will walk and will have a gun on his side within a week after the trial ends. When the Crown asked for a murder charge the battle was already going to be uphill, they could have went for a lesser charge which in my opinion would have been sufficient and ensured this officer wouldn't continue to threaten Toronto in the future with more poor decisions.

I think once he was called a "p____y" by Yatim it bothered him enough that he was just itching for an excuse to shoot him.

Manslaughter is an included charge for murder, ie he can be found not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter. That would seem the right sentence to me.

[BartSimpson]

desertdude desertdude:

The US is no different, plus their prison system is a lot more violent than yours. I remember seeing this interview where this white supremacist decapitated some other inmate as somekind of an initiation, while awaiting a murder trial. Ironically he was found not guilty on his original murder charge but ended up serving life without parole for his prison murder

Because it's so much more civilized when people get decapitated AFTER the trial.

[martin14]

shockedcanadian shockedcanadian:

When the Crown asked for a murder charge the battle was already going to be uphill, they could have went for a lesser charge which in my opinion would have been sufficient and ensured this officer wouldn't continue to threaten Toronto in the future with more poor decisions.

I agree with this, they could easily have gone for a lesser charge, and at least
a few years and off the force.

Proving murder will be really difficult.

The SJWs who were out protesting can blame themselves if Forcillo walks.

[OnTheIce]

I don't think he'll be convicted of murder. Likely a conviction on manslaughter.

5 years jail time. 5 years probation. No more badge.

[BeaverFever]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

I don't think he'll be convicted of murder. Likely a conviction on manslaughter.

5 years jail time. 5 years probation. No more badge.

I don't think he'll do 5 years in jail even.

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