[Newsbot]

Title: Climate sensitivity study suggests narrower range of potential outcomes
Category: Environmental
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2018-01-18 06:52:11
Canadian

[newz]

Looking forward to growing citrus trees here in Manitoba.

[DrCaleb]

newz newz:

Looking forward to growing citrus trees here in Manitoba.

Along with the billions of others who have had to leave the uninhabitable middle east, central Asia, and equatorial regions.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

newz newz:

Looking forward to growing citrus trees here in Manitoba.

Along with the billions of others who have had to leave the uninhabitable middle east, central Asia, and equatorial regions.

Throughout the history of man, you mean?

No, you don't. You want to imply the climate of today is artificial (human-caused) and creates some special sort of mass migrations we've never seen.

The problem is there's no evidence for these exceptional climate migrations you'd like to blame those of us who benefit from fossil fuel use for.

[N_Fiddledog]

BTW did you guys catch this bit from the article?

$1:

Cox and colleagues, using a new methodology, have come up with a far narrower range: 2.2C to 3.4C, with a best estimate of 2.8C.

If accurate, it precludes the most destructive doomsday scenarios.

"pre·clude
prəˈklo͞od/Submit
verb
3rd person present: precludes

prevent from happening; make impossible.

"the secret nature of his work precluded official recognition"
synonyms: prevent, make it impossible for, rule out, stop, prohibit, debar, bar, hinder, impede, inhibit, exclude
"his difficulties preclude him from leading a normal life"

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

newz newz:

Looking forward to growing citrus trees here in Manitoba.

Along with the billions of others who have had to leave the uninhabitable middle east, central Asia, and equatorial regions.

The Middle East has been screwed over by their preference for charcoal for cooking and heat. They've denuded their forests and wiped out their watersheds in order to feed their ovens.

If they simply burned wood for heat they'd reduce their impact on their remaining stands of forest.

But they won't.

The same dynamic contributes to poverty and famine in Haiti and in those African nations where charcoal is preferred over simply burning wood.

[Zipperfish]

I see the deniers have just resorted to "just make shit up" at this point.

[BartSimpson]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

I see the deniers have just resorted to "just make shit up" at this point.

Charcoal has been a problem for a very long time.

Also, the 'deniers' at NPR are critical of charcoal for many of the same reasons I am.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/sto ... =106273845

And here's a denier whose assessment is essentially the same as my own.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.10 ... 1/9/094020

$1:

Abstract

Charcoal production for urban energy consumption is a main driver of forest degradation in sub Saharan Africa. Urban growth projections for the continent suggest that the relevance of this process will increase in the coming decades.

Forest degradation associated to charcoal production is difficult to monitor and commonly overlooked and underrepresented in forest cover change and carbon emission estimates. We use a multitemporal dataset of very high-resolution remote sensing images to map kiln locations in a representative study area of tropical woodlands in central Mozambique.

The resulting maps provided a characterization of the spatial extent and temporal dynamics of charcoal production. Using an indirect approach we combine kiln maps and field information on charcoal making to describe the magnitude and intensity of forest degradation linked to charcoal production, including aboveground biomass and carbon emissions.

Our findings reveal that forest degradation associated to charcoal production in the study area is largely independent from deforestation driven by agricultural expansion and that its impact on forest cover change is in the same order of magnitude as deforestation. Our work illustrates the feasibility of using estimates of urban charcoal consumption to establish a link between urban energy demands and forest degradation.

This kind of approach has potential to reduce uncertainties in forest cover change and carbon emission assessments in sub-Saharan Africa.

[Zipperfish]

Sub-Saharan Africa is not the Middle East.

[CharlesAnthony]

^^ I see the psychopatho-professional liars still have nothing to sell.

[N_Fiddledog]

Double-post oops.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Sub-Saharan Africa is not the Middle East.

But if you're going to get technical, it wouldn't be a case of "just making stuff up" then, would it?

It would be a case of possibly mixing up locations.

But yeah, I've heard about the burning charcoal thing too. Actually, I thought it was burning scrub woods.

I heard it as an argument against the scare stories about how the poor were going to die worldwide when the full feared apocalypse of weather hit.

The way the argument went was if these yahoos really cared about the poor in places like Africa they'd allow them a cheap energy source like coal.

There's some sort of giant estimate stat saying how many poor Africans die from lung disease as a result of burning scrub woods.

BTW, speaking of greenery, isn't the planet greener now than it was before the days when it was starved of Carbon Dioxide?

[N_Fiddledog]

Speaking of denuding the Middle East though I saw an interesting video one time.

I think it was Faith Goldi and she was visiting Israel. She was standing amongst the greenery on some hill looking down at the rolling desertified landscape telling us how you can tell by eye where Israel ends and the disputed territories of what some have been calling Palestine begin.

[CharlesAnthony]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW, speaking of greenery, isn't the planet greener now than it was before the days when it was starved of Carbon Dioxide?

No. Quite the opposite.

There used to be more giant trees everywhere.

[N_Fiddledog]

CharlesAnthony CharlesAnthony:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BTW, speaking of greenery, isn't the planet greener now than it was before the days when it was starved of Carbon Dioxide?

No. Quite the opposite.

There used to be more giant trees everywhere.

Actually, I'm pretty confident that if pushed I can find you at least one study on how forests, in general, have been growing worldwide.

But yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if large tree forests were disappearing. In fact, one would expect it.

I have another Israel story. This one may be more legend than provable fact, but it's interesting.

I was reading somewhere about this hill area in Israel where the bible tells us giant cedars once grew. The author suggested the Romans mowed these trees down to build ships and they never grew back.