[Newsbot]

Title: Climate change before your eyes: Seas rise and trees die
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2017-08-01 18:03:47
Canadian

[DrCaleb]

Nonsense. I have been told that seas have not risen significantly in 100 years.

/s

[Thanos]

Lying science liars, why must they lie?!?!?

[DrCaleb]

Thanos Thanos:

Lying science liars, why must they lie?!?!?

Because of all the funding money. "Daddy needs a new Lambo! Let's fake some more data!"

[BartSimpson]

One of the bigger problems with the dying forests on the coasts is the effect of upstream fresh water diversions that allow salt water to intrude into places where it didn't intrude before.

This effect was noted here:

https://books.google.com/books?id=LMuOy ... lt&f=false

It's about to be demonstrated in the Sacramento River Delta where a massive water diversion project will turn about 175,000 acres of productive farmland and fresh water marsh into salt water marsh. This is by design but you folks feel free to blame it on global warming.

The forest in question in the article is fed by the Savannah River which now has six dams on it with most of the water being directed to agriculture and to the two large cities of Savannah and Augusta. Making matters worse is that Atlanta is looking to obtain a share of the remaining water that's currently allowed to flow to the sea...and this dying forest.

http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/arti ... nnah-river

But yeah, just blame the problem on global warming instead of digging deeper to find out what's really causing the problem.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

But yeah, just blame the problem on global warming instead of digging deeper to find out what's really causing the problem.

If the theory fits the observations, then the theory might be sound. The way to test the theory is to try to disprove it.

$1:

Marcelo Ardon, a biology professor at North Carolina State University, studied one site called the Palmetto Pear Tree Preserve on Albemarle Sound in North Carolina from 2006 to 2009. When he returned in 2016, he said, "what used to look like a healthy cypress swamp, now the trees are dead and the water level is a lot higher. The place has completely changed. I've checked overhead satellite photos and you can see the trees dying."

In southern New Jersey, the most affected species is the Atlantic white cedar, which was a mainstay of the shipbuilding industry because of its resistance to rot. Farther south, cypress, loblolly pines and Eastern red cedar are dying.

Large storms can drive salt water further inland and kill trees; 2012's Superstorm Sandy is believed to have led to the deaths of some trees in southern New Jersey, Able said.

The difference, Kirwan said, is that in the past, flooded areas would dry out before salt water killed most of the trees.

"That same storm 100 years ago would also have killed trees," he said. "But 100 years ago that same land wouldn't have been so wet that new trees couldn't get established and replace the dead ones. That's a big part of where sea level rise comes in."

Looks like more data that supports the theory, and doesn't disprove it.

[N_Fiddledog]

What data was that?

Did we just read the same quote?

I read about a Biology professor making some guesses about what he thinks might have happened to forests a hundred years ago if they had been hit by Superstorm Sandy, against what actually did happen to them.

I didn't see any data.

Hey...wanna see some pics about what Superstorm Sandy did do to North Carolina though?

https://www.google.ca/search?q=supersto ... sQ_AUICigB

I think it was worse in Jersey.

[N_Fiddledog]

As far as sea level rise goes, the IPCC tells us sea level rose about 7 inches in the 20th century.

If we look at what the satellites are telling us global sea level rose about 3 inches for the last quarter century.



So if it continues at that rate it will be about a foot over the 21st century.

7 inches versus 12 inches. Is that significant? Don't know. We'll have to ask an expert, I guess.

Maybe we should email Jenna Jameson.

[BartSimpson]

[Thanos]

Bah! What good do those trees do anyway? Nothin' for no one!

[N_Fiddledog]

I wouldn't worry about it.

Greenhouse gas carbon dioxide ramps up aspen growth

Forests are growing faster, climate change most likely new steroid

PLANET EARTH COVERED IN MUCH MORE FOREST THAN THOUGHT

Global warming may spur increased growth in Northwest forests



Expansion of forests in the European Arctic

Greening of the Earth and its drivers

Inconvenient Study: CO2 fertilization greening the earth

NASA: Carbon dioxide fertilization greening Earth, study finds

Study: Earth is becoming GREENER, not BROWNER due to climate change

CO2 Is Greening The Planet: African Savannahs Getting a Makeover to Forests

The Earth’s biosphere is booming, data suggests that CO2 is the cause, part 2

[Thanos]

I know what you mean. Those trees are bullshitting us. Like, people have been successfully drinking salt water for at least six gorillion years with ZERO ILL EFFECTS whatsoever and they're telling me that trees can't? What a load of snowflakey bullshit. "Trees", they call them? Well, FAKE NEWS I call them!

[N_Fiddledog]

OK, so let's review what we've learned so far.

The AP has a writer who's found 2 or 3 "scientists" who are telling us that salt water flooding into low lying wooded areas is killing trees. Apparently the salt water flooding thing has been happening for at least hundreds of years, but now it's killing trees. Did the phenomena never kill a tree in the bad ol' days? Don't know, but apparently these "scientists" AP guy found are guessing there's at least more of them dying now. How many more trees are dying now that wouldn't have died pre Koch Brothers then? Don't know. Are they dying everywhere or just on some coasts. The guy from the associated press wouldn't tell us any of that.

We do know bio diversity including forests is booming all over the world. So there's still lots more trees than there would have been without all that yummy new CO2 we humans are nurturing the planet with.

The IPCC, NASA, and basic math tell us global sea rise over the last quarter century has increased about an inch. Global temperatures during that time may have increased a fraction of a degree C. The AP guy and his "scientists" say this is doing some damage somewhere to something, but they don't want to show us how much of this proposed damage is a change from what's always been or how exactly they know it's different. If they have data support we haven't seen it.

The one thing we know for sure is all of this has Thanos upset. Cause, the trees, man! The trees...

[Thanos]

Did you consult with James Inhofe and his Magic Snowball to come to that conclusion?

[BartSimpson]

Don't forget that upstream water diversions in conjunction with a prolonged drought on the Savannah River have no effect on downstream forests that depend on flows of fresh water to prevent salt water intrusion. Clearly the only culprit here is global warming.

http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/2017- ... -engineers