[Newsbot]

Title: Canadian police arrest Toronto man on suspicion of spying for China
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: saturn_656
Date: 2013-12-01 10:01:00
Canadian

[Jabberwalker]

I understand that the Chinese are currently incapable of developing anything new on their own. They copy, copy and copy and the source of their great power is an endless supply of VERY cheap labour that they can kick about at will. They have to steal military secrets because they are currently incapable of invention of their own.

Big, bad China.

Millie Vanillie

[shockedcanadian]

They CAN create and they DO, but the premise is that, like the Japanese did in the 1980's with reverse engineering, it is far cheaper and much easily to turn a profit when another company does the heavy lifting at the R & D level.

From what I am reading quickly though, this guy was trying to sell procurement policies, which isn't technology but rather how they allow foreign companies to apply and receive business (either as a buyer of seller) of said technology. Obviously a huge advantage, especially if you want to get a leg up on particular requirements that the Canadian government demands of particular technologies before the RFP is even put out.

This guy is more of a thief than a spy,sounds pretty low level if you ask me, he didn't have access to more sensitive information. Toss him in the clink for a few years and that should do the trick, however, how do we now deal with the fall out to the Chinese? It may be a case in which spying (especially of the industrial kind) is rampant, but you sure as hell can't just let other nations do so without some message being sent.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

this guy was trying to sell procurement policies,

THAT ought to shut the Chinese military down ... using Canada's procurement procedures.

[martin14]

http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=81216


story on the front page as well.



They certainly spend a lot of time mentioning this guy is a 'citizen'.

I guess the headline


" Chinese gov't long term sleeper agent gets caught "


wouldn't go over well in Bejing.

[Gunnair]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

$1:

this guy was trying to sell procurement policies,

THAT ought to shut the Chinese military down ... using Canada's procurement procedures.

[ShepherdsDog]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I understand that the Chinese are currently incapable of developing anything new on their own. They copy, copy and copy and the source of their great power is an endless supply of VERY cheap labour that they can kick about at will. They have to steal military secrets because they are currently incapable of invention of their own.

Big, bad China.

Millie Vanillie

Most Chinese innovation stuttered and died in the 15th century.....to our benefit

[BartSimpson]

James Burke observed in his program, "Connections", that the Chinese have a difficult time innovating because of the concept of 'shen' that pervades their thinking. 'Shen' is the essence that makes something what it is, thus a ship is a ship because that is what it has to be.

The problem, as Burke observes, is that this concept prevents the Chinese from building models or testing ideas using simulations as we do in the West. Granted, this is less true today than it was 30 years ago when Burke proffered this idea yet I work with Chinese people all the time who evidence problems with being able to postulate how things can work. Most notably, the engineers I work with who have to do seismic review with 3D simulators demonstrate gaps in their ability to grasp how the simulations can apply in the real world.

In my own observation, innovation is also eschewed by communist and authoritarian regimes because any innovation can be potentially construed as criticism of the state.

Think you can build a safer, more efficient airplane?

Then you could find yourself in prison for presuming that the state produces unsafe and inefficient aircraft!

And etc.

The result is a stifling of innovation.

[Jabberwalker]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I understand that the Chinese are currently incapable of developing anything new on their own. They copy, copy and copy and the source of their great power is an endless supply of VERY cheap labour that they can kick about at will. They have to steal military secrets because they are currently incapable of invention of their own.

Big, bad China.

Millie Vanillie

Most Chinese innovation stuttered and died in the 15th century.....to our benefit

Indeed.

[Jabberwalker]

$1:

In my own observation, innovation is also eschewed by communist and authoritarian regimes because any innovation can be potentially construed as criticism of the state.

I have to agree. Even our British cousins, historically just about the most inventive people on earth are having a harder and harder time looking outside of the box. One of the great gifts to the world that comes from North America (both sides of the line) is our inherent unconventional behaviour. We quite naturally turn things on their side. The rest of the World considers this to be a lack of disciplined thought (it must drive the Chinese who come here crazy).

[BartSimpson]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I have to agree. Even our British cousins, historically just about the most inventive people on earth are having a harder and harder time looking outside of the box. One of the great gifts to the world that comes from North America (both sides of the line) is our inherent unconventional behaviour. We quite naturally turn things on their side. The rest of the World considers this to be a lack of disciplined thought (it must drive the Chinese who come here crazy).

Funny, if the Chinese consider us to be undisciplined then they need to explain to us why they don't line up at a movie theatre or etc. instead of just mobbing up at the doors like a bunch of cattle.

[Jabberwalker]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I have to agree. Even our British cousins, historically just about the most inventive people on earth are having a harder and harder time looking outside of the box. One of the great gifts to the world that comes from North America (both sides of the line) is our inherent unconventional behaviour. We quite naturally turn things on their side. The rest of the World considers this to be a lack of disciplined thought (it must drive the Chinese who come here crazy).

Funny, if the Chinese consider us to be undisciplined then they need to explain to us why they don't line up at a movie theatre or etc. instead of just mobbing up at the doors like a bunch of cattle.

I have heard the West referred to in that exact manner by Chinese people. "Every man for himself" does not necessarily denote a lack of discipline as much as it dose the ultimate pragmatism.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I have to agree. Even our British cousins, historically just about the most inventive people on earth are having a harder and harder time looking outside of the box. One of the great gifts to the world that comes from North America (both sides of the line) is our inherent unconventional behaviour. We quite naturally turn things on their side. The rest of the World considers this to be a lack of disciplined thought (it must drive the Chinese who come here crazy).

Funny, if the Chinese consider us to be undisciplined then they need to explain to us why they don't line up at a movie theatre or etc. instead of just mobbing up at the doors like a bunch of cattle.

You mean like Americans do during Black Friday sales, for example?

[Jabberwalker]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

I have to agree. Even our British cousins, historically just about the most inventive people on earth are having a harder and harder time looking outside of the box. One of the great gifts to the world that comes from North America (both sides of the line) is our inherent unconventional behaviour. We quite naturally turn things on their side. The rest of the World considers this to be a lack of disciplined thought (it must drive the Chinese who come here crazy).

Funny, if the Chinese consider us to be undisciplined then they need to explain to us why they don't line up at a movie theatre or etc. instead of just mobbing up at the doors like a bunch of cattle.

You mean like Americans do during Black Friday sales, for example?

... or Stanley Cup finals nights in certain Canadian cities ...

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Funny, if the Chinese consider us to be undisciplined then they need to explain to us why they don't line up at a movie theatre or etc. instead of just mobbing up at the doors like a bunch of cattle.

You mean like Americans do during Black Friday sales, for example?

... or Stanley Cup finals nights in certain Canadian cities ...

Yep, or that