[Newsbot]

Title: Canadian extremists paying the price, with six reported dead over the past two months
Category: Misc CDN
Posted By: N_Fiddledog
Date: 2015-01-15 00:11:27
Canadian

[N_Fiddledog]

Convert cannon fodder.

Doesn't it seem like the Middle Eastern Jihadis like to get a propaganda vid off the converts if they can, then they strap bomb belts around the foreigner, wannabe jihadis waists and send them to the nearest checkpoint?

Oh well...maybe it's for the best. Maybe it's a Darwin thing.

[martin14]

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Most are believed to have died in airstrikes in Syria. While Canada�s CF-18s have been attacking ISIS in Iraq, they have not ventured into Syria. But American warplanes have been bombing around Kobani, where all six men reportedly died.

Thanks Yanks, for taking out our trash.





This is funny, first sentence; aww there is no problem. It's only dozens.

Next sentence; hundreds.

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The ISIS message has found little support in Canada. Although it has attracted dozens of recruits, as well as young women wanting to become jihadist brides, Canada�s major Muslim organizations have denounced the terror group.

But following deadly attacks in Canada, Australia and Paris, counter-terrorism officials are tracking hundreds of suspects both at home and abroad, amid concerns they may attempt to kill more Canadians.

Such bullshit.

[Praxius]

Canadian Extremists Paying the Price.....

[QBall]

Couldn't have happened to more deserving people.

[ShepherdsDog]

They feel excluded

[Zipperfish]

They do feel excluded. While I do now support the military operations in Syria and Iraq (on the basis of indiscriminate massacres of targeted groups by ISIS), those strikes are not going end Islamic extremism adn radicalization of youth in Canada.

The only way to do that is to work with the Muslim community in Canada to prevent it. Indeed, significant terror attacks have been averted due to intelligence from Muslims reporting terrorists to the authorities. That's not capitulating, that's not being soft, that's just a winning strategy to defeat Islamic terrorism.

[N_Fiddledog]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The only way to do that is to work with the Muslim community in Canada to prevent it. Indeed, significant terror attacks have been averted due to intelligence from Muslims reporting terrorists to the authorities. That's not capitulating, that's not being soft, that's just a winning strategy to defeat Islamic terrorism.

I disagree. The incidents you are talking about of thwarted terrorist attacks are not even numbered enough to be called fringe. I'm not convinced they aren't more a case of rivaling internal factions within the community ratting each other out.

A much larger thing is the soft jihad of taking over the west from within such as has been spoken of by the Muslim Brotherhood. Taqiyya is also something more people should make themselves aware of.

Calgary's Sowarhardy is one of the Moslem leader types you're talking about. What you might laughingly call a "moderate". He tells you stuff you want to hear while he's telling his guys their religion orders them not to even be here if all they want is a job and a decent Western style life. They're here for Dawa (proselytizing the Kufar).

Pamela Geller has some ideas for a possible solution. You would have some nasty things to say about her. She's not politically correct. That's fair. I have nasty things to say about Sowarhardy, and even that little weasel informer from in the North African skull cap who you would like to enshrine as a Canadian hero. There's more to him too.

But I listened to your solution. You should listen to mine. It's here.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/how-to-stop- ... ts-tracks/

[andyt]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

The only way to do that is to work with the Muslim community in Canada to prevent it. Indeed, significant terror attacks have been averted due to intelligence from Muslims reporting terrorists to the authorities. That's not capitulating, that's not being soft, that's just a winning strategy to defeat Islamic terrorism.

Good for you. Seemed to me you were going over to the dark side after that grooming gang stuff. Not all Muslims are the same, and as you say, the best way to fight jihadism is to ally with the Muslim community. That puts responsibility on both sides. We have to reach out, they have to accept the reach. They may be used to avoiding authorities, keeping their head down, from how how it's done in the old country, but this is a new country. From our side, we need a carrot and stick approach - the carrot is the reach out, the stick is going after or shaming those who keep silent. In France, the neighbors broke into the KOuachi brothers apartment to find a large cache of arms. The brothers threatened them if they reported it to police. If those neighbors had been made to feel safe about reporting, they would have, they were obviously worried about it.

Read a piece today that says French Muslims are the most integrated in Europe. They speak French, intermarry, etc. But, they can't find jobs because of the discriminatory system in France. Of course that's going to breed resentment, and looking for a way to lash out. Read the same about Egypt - plenty of middle class, educated, young men who can't find work. This is exactly how revolutions get started Just hope all the extra young men in China to get up to stuff if the economy can't find them jobs - and that still leaves them without women.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Not all Muslims are the same,

Of course, they're not. Who said they were?

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and as you say, the best way to fight jihadism is to ally with the Muslim community.

No it's not. It's something to play with as a hobby, but it's not a real fix.

Again, if you want to actually fix the problem, this is where you begin...

http://www.wnd.com/2013/06/how-to-stop- ... ts-tracks/

[andyt]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

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and as you say, the best way to fight jihadism is to ally with the Muslim community.

No it's not. It's something to play with as a hobby, but it's not a real fix.

Nope. It's the only real fix there is. If we're going to allow the practice of Islam in this country we have to integrate them into our values, make them realize that religion belongs at home, not pushed on others in society. We also need to make sure that if we're going to allow Christianity in this country, Christians also need to understand this. As do all religions.

[N_Fiddledog]

andyt andyt:

Read a piece today that says French Muslims are the most integrated in Europe. They speak French, intermarry, etc.

I've read a little bit about French Muslims myself. Here's something from a Pew poll.

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In Western Europe, higher
percentages of Muslims in Great Britain,
France and Spain said that suicide bombings
in the defense of Islam are often or sometimes justified.

http://pewresearch.org/files/old-assets ... ricans.pdf

Only 48% of French Muslims believed the "Arabs did it" version of 911. Which makes you want to ask - what do they believe then?

Only 35% were concerned about terrorism.

16% believed suicide bombings could be justified. 42% in the 18 to 29 group thought so, and this poll was taken some years ago.

In a more recent poll ICM research found "Almost a sixth of the French population (16%) have a favourable disposition towards the terror group Isis (now known as the Islamic State),"

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/islamic-state- ... te-1462680

That last one concerned the whole of France, so it would also show the influence Mohammedan ideology is having on France's useful idiot demographic.

[martin14]

andyt andyt:

Read a piece today that says French Muslims are the most integrated in Europe.

aaaaaaand, no link, probably too embarrassing.



You read a lot of bullshit, and regurgitate the same.

[Regina]

Well there is certainly 3 more who are eternaly integrating with French soil now.

[Zipperfish]

andyt andyt:

Good for you. Seemed to me you were going over to the dark side after that grooming gang stuff.

Yeah, I was pretty pissed off about that. Still am.

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Not all Muslims are the same, and as you say, the best way to fight jihadism is to ally with the Muslim community. That puts responsibility on both sides. We have to reach out, they have to accept the reach.

I agree with this. What has happened in England to a lesser extent--is self-segregation of Muslims. (Probably France too, though I don't know much about the situation there). For instacne "Trojan Horse" operations where mosque leaders would try to dominate school boards (or whateve they call them in England) and turn public schools into veritable madrassas. The unilateral insitution of Shraie law zones. And (in teh ase of the grooming) exporting some vicious behaviour outside the Muslim community and visiting it upon a culture that I identify with (having spent some formative years in Northern England).

Both communities must take steps to avoid segregation.

Christians have to put up with no end of blasphemy against their most sacred beliefs in our country. Muslims must accept that free speech trumps their beliefs or leave.

I have sympathy for Muslims and Iraqis who were pissed off about Abu Ghraib. That was horrible and evil. Apparently these guys in France were "radicalized" by Abu Ghraib. I don't buy it. The Jews had bugger-all to do with Abu Ghraib, yet that is who these people sought out to massacre.

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No it's not. It's something to play with as a hobby, but it's not a real fix.

Again, if you want to actually fix the problem, this is where you begin...

Some of these are just creepy; reminiescent of the first steps taken against the Jews in 1930's Germany. Not to mention that the whole apparatus can be bypassed if the jihadist doesn't identify himself as a Muslim. Apparently the 9/11 bombers were whooping it up on the booze prior to their attacks.

I do agree with a couple though--intel on foreign financing of mosques, deporting non-citizens who promote jihad.