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Title: Calgary reservist Maj. Darryl Watts found not guilty of manslaughter | CTV News
Category: Military
Posted By: putz
Date: 2012-12-04 17:05:53
Canadian

[putz]

A very scarey decision. I would hate to be an ARSO or RSO with judgements like this.

[Guy_Fawkes]

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

Any more than gives reg force members a bad name?

[Guy_Fawkes]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

Any more than gives reg force members a bad name?

Yes. One is a training issue the other is a ethical/moral one, I would say we have more reservist officers with inadequate or improper training than reg force officers with criminally low ethics.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

Any more than gives reg force members a bad name?

Yes. One is a training issue the other is a ethical/moral one, I would say we have more reservist officers with inadequate or improper training than reg force officers with criminally low ethics.

Sorry, the general public and likely the majority of the military folk will remember the rare ones with the ethical/moral issues over the more common inadequate training issues.

Insert Slt Delisle next.

[EffenSeven]

I didn't know Woody Harrelson was in the Canadian Military.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

$1:

Three of the soldiers who were injured in the blast took the stand during the court martial, describing the incident as a disorganized training exercise where some soldiers were given safety briefings while others were not.
None of them felt that Watts was responsible, however, saying he was a conscientious leader.

They were there. I think I'll take their word.

[Guy_Fawkes]

The general public cant tell the difference between the reg force and the cadets, let alone a reservist.

I have run into several reservist officers who are more than happy to let the 2 I/C run the show while they sit on their hands praying everything turns out alright.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

$1:

Three of the soldiers who were injured in the blast took the stand during the court martial, describing the incident as a disorganized training exercise where some soldiers were given safety briefings while others were not.
None of them felt that Watts was responsible, however, saying he was a conscientious leader.

They were there. I think I'll take their word.

So do you think like they do and that the officer isnt responsible for safety on the range?

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

The general public cant tell the difference between the reg force and the cadets, let alone a reservist.

I have run into several reservist officers who are more than happy to let the 2 I/C run the show while they sit on their hands praying everything turns out alright.

I have run into reg force members willing to do the same.

Suggests you and I have experience with shitpumps.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

It's shit like this that gives reservists a bad name.

$1:

Three of the soldiers who were injured in the blast took the stand during the court martial, describing the incident as a disorganized training exercise where some soldiers were given safety briefings while others were not.
None of them felt that Watts was responsible, however, saying he was a conscientious leader.

They were there. I think I'll take their word.

So do you think like they do and that the officer isnt responsible for safety on the range?

I think, after reading the news report, that that is a rather simplistic question that seems to ignore some reported facts. Such as the report that the RSO stated he was not qualified to run the range but was told to do it anyway.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Im not putting sole blame on the Range OIC, the article says that the RSO was an expert on the claymore so the RSO is the one who should have made sure things were good to go. However the article also says

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Watts had the authority to either move the soldiers further away or cease the exercise altogether, and was therefore ultimately responsible for what happened.

Again this isnt the failing of just the OIC, which is why more than him are up on charges.

Training should have been stopped at the higher level, or at the very least these guys should have cracked open a fucking pub.

[Gunnair]

Guy_Fawkes Guy_Fawkes:

Im not putting sole blame on the Range OIC, the article says that the RSO was an expert on the claymore so the RSO is the one who should have made sure things were good to go. However the article also says

$1:

Watts had the authority to either move the soldiers further away or cease the exercise altogether, and was therefore ultimately responsible for what happened.

Again this isnt the failing of just the OIC, which is why more than him are up on charges.

Training should have been stopped at the higher level, or at the very least these guys should have cracked open a fucking pub.

We moved from the points we disagree with to the points that we agree with.

I go back to my original post. This guy is no more representative of the thousands of the reserves than Williams or Delisle is of the reg force.

[Guy_Fawkes]

Well if we are going back to that point, I still stand by my original statement that Reg Officers have much better than Res Officer.

I will refine my opinion and say all the Res Infantry Officers I have worked with have had poor training.