[Newsbot]

Title: 'British firms forced to rely on migrants because UK teenagers neglect maths, report
Category: Science
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2015-06-25 08:44:55

[andyt]

Oh, well, they've got plenty of migrants

[Zipperfish]

It's not the teenagers neglecting maths, it's the schools. Theya re all about socail studies and appropriate behaviour. Here, we have French immersion and everyone is sticvking tehir kids in that. I asked if they had math or sceince immersion and they looked at me like I was Sheldon off of Big Bang Theory.

Most other cultures value math very highly and are far ahead of western schools.

That said, there's alwaysd plenty of keeners out there, and I wonder if this isn't just a ploy to hire cheap workers.

[BartSimpson]

Western liberals (not the classical kind but the proghole kind) eschew science, technology, engineering, mathematics, and music in the schools because these are disciplines where egalitarianism falls flat. You're either good at these things or you're not. And teachers can't justify handing out high grades to kids who can't produce...unlike in social studies or crap like that.

[Lemmy]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

proghole

[andyt]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You're either good at these things or you're not.

Not necessarily. I've seen people just click all of a sudden when they are taught from a different angle. I think this is especially true of girls. Obviously not everybody is cut out to be an Euler or such, but I think most people could be reasonably proficient in math if taught properly. More so than the illiterates you see.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

You're either good at these things or you're not.

Not necessarily. I've seen people just click all of a sudden when they are taught from a different angle. I think this is especially true of girls. Obviously not everybody is cut out to be an Euler or such, but I think most people could be reasonably proficient in math if taught properly. More so than the illiterates you see.

I don't dispute that at all. Bluntly, what I am observing is that upper income European and Asian students are disproportionately successful in these disciplines and that grates on the egalitarians who desire equal outcomes in every aspect of life.

[Thanos]

More of a failure of the education systems that have no guidance in them and really produce a 'we've done our part, now you go figure the rest out on your own' herd of kids who have no idea what the hell they're supposed to do with the rest of their lives after graduation. The majority of children simply do not come from families that have the knowledge or ability to help them find a proper path beyond giving some vague 'hey, why don't you go try this?' sort of advice. Adopt the German education system where they identify a student's core strengths long before the high school level and actively help them get their careers started and the results in the West would be as good as they are in Japan or China.

$1:

Most teachers waste their time by asking questions which are intended to discover what a pupil does not know, whereas the true art of questioning has for its purpose to discover what the pupil knows or is capable of knowing.

Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.

- Albert Einstein

[ShepherdsDog]

Western education is too prone to fads and social engineering experiments. An educated and engaged middle class isn't in the plans for an easily ruled and cowed plebe class..

[BartSimpson]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Western education is too prone to fads and social engineering experiments. An educated and engaged middle class isn't in the plans for an easily ruled and cowed plebe class..

Indeed. Stupid people vote for the party that promises bread and circuses...and free health care, free food, free incomes, free housing, and etc.

[Thanos]

I suppose the US could get rid of it's public education system in another display of exceptionalism and show the rest of the world how wrong it's been for most of the last two centuries. Operation Bootstrap! Every Man Is An Island, you haters and losers!

[martin14]

Thanos Thanos:

More of a failure of the education systems that have no guidance in them and really produce a 'we've done our part, now you go figure the rest out on your own' herd of kids who have no idea what the hell they're supposed to do with the rest of their lives after graduation. The majority of children simply do not come from families that have the knowledge or ability to help them find a proper path beyond giving some vague 'hey, why don't you go try this?' sort of advice. Adopt the German education system where they identify a student's core strengths long before the high school level and actively help them get their careers started and the results in the West would be as good as they are in Japan or China.

$1:

Most teachers waste their time by asking questions which are intended to discover what a pupil does not know, whereas the true art of questioning has for its purpose to discover what the pupil knows or is capable of knowing.

Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.

- Albert Einstein

Or, what seems to be more frequent, this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... anged.html

Headmistress of Church of England primary school sacked after claims answers to 30 children's maths exams were changed after the test

$1:

Stephanie O'Grady was sacked after claims pupils' exam answers changed
2014 maths SATs results for 11-year-olds at school annulled amid claims
It left 30 pupils at St Patrick's Primary Academy in Solihull without a grade
In its most recent Ofsted inspection, St Patrick's was rated as outstanding

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

I suppose the US could get rid of it's public indoctrination system...

...and bring back the public education system like my parents knew in their time.

President Woodrow Wilson, Democrat President Woodrow Wilson, Democrat:

“We want one class of persons to have a liberal education, and we want another class of persons, a very much larger class of necessity in every society, to forgo the privilege of a liberal education and fit themselves to perform specific difficult manual tasks.”

Wilson's ideas formed the foundation of American liberalism for the past century. Most of his ideas have come to pass and the cheapening of public education has been one of the left's great successes in America.