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Title: Bill Gates Wants to 'Cover the Sun' to Help Counter Global Warming
Category: Environmental
Posted By: Freakinoldguy
Date: 2021-01-24 11:11:31
Canadian

[Freakinoldguy]

And.................what could possibly go wrong.

[DrCaleb]

Is Bill Gates Funding Efforts To Block The Sun?

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Mostly False

Seriously man?

[Freakinoldguy]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Is Bill Gates Funding Efforts To Block The Sun?

$1:

Mostly False

Seriously man?

Is mostly false like mostly pregnant?

From your own sources.

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What's True
Since 2007, Bill Gates has funded research initiatives that, in part, provide grants for experiments related to solar radiation management — a form of geoengineering controversially proposed as a last-ditch solution to anthropogenic global warming. A Harvard experiment named SCoPEx is supported in part by these initiatives.

And here's what SCoPeX is all about. So yah, I think the article was serious and it's a little more in depth than what Snopes would have you believe in their attempt to discredit this and other articles on the subject.

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First sun-dimming experiment will test a way to cool Earth

Researchers plan to spray sunlight-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, an approach that could ultimately be used to quickly lower the planet’s temperature.

The idea is simple: spray a bunch of particles into the stratosphere, and they will cool the planet by reflecting some of the Sun’s rays back into space. Scientists have already witnessed the principle in action. When Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it injected an estimated 20 million tonnes of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere — the atmospheric layer that stretches from about 10 to 50 kilometres above Earth's surface. The eruption created a haze of sulfate particles that cooled the planet by around 0.5 °C. For about 18 months, Earth’s average temperature returned to what it was before the arrival of the steam engine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07533

BTW I consider Snopes to be one of the most unreliable and biased fact finding sites out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleeta ... 3c2f84227f

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-snopes ... -reliable/

But just in case you disagree, this should put your mind at ease since they've cleared themselves of any bias.

https://www.snopes.com/2015/04/17/eye-of-the-beholder/

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Is Bill Gates Funding Efforts To Block The Sun?

$1:

Mostly False

Seriously man?

Is mostly false like mostly pregnant?

From your own sources.

Not my source, it was the second Google result. it's really not difficult to check these things to avoid embarrassing yourself.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

$1:

What's True
Since 2007, Bill Gates has funded research initiatives that, in part, provide grants for experiments related to solar radiation management — a form of geoengineering controversially proposed as a last-ditch solution to anthropogenic global warming. A Harvard experiment named SCoPEx is supported in part by these initiatives.

And here's what SCoPeX is all about. So yah, I think the article was serious and it's a little more in depth than what Snopes would have you believe in their attempt to discredit this and other articles on the subject.

$1:

First sun-dimming experiment will test a way to cool Earth

Researchers plan to spray sunlight-reflecting particles into the stratosphere, an approach that could ultimately be used to quickly lower the planet’s temperature.

The idea is simple: spray a bunch of particles into the stratosphere, and they will cool the planet by reflecting some of the Sun’s rays back into space. Scientists have already witnessed the principle in action. When Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it injected an estimated 20 million tonnes of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere — the atmospheric layer that stretches from about 10 to 50 kilometres above Earth's surface. The eruption created a haze of sulfate particles that cooled the planet by around 0.5 °C. For about 18 months, Earth’s average temperature returned to what it was before the arrival of the steam engine.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07533

Did you check that link? Go ahead, we'll wait.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

BTW I consider Snopes to be one of the most unreliable and biased fact finding sites out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleeta ... 3c2f84227f

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/is-snopes ... -reliable/

But just in case you disagree, this should put your mind at ease since they've cleared themselves of any bias.

https://www.snopes.com/2015/04/17/eye-of-the-beholder/

I don't disagree that Snopes has issues. But it also does some pretty good research, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

I've never fallen for the "Bill Gates will pay you a billion dollars to forward this email" kind of virus, because I know the basics of email. Just like I have read many papers on ways to combat global warming.

And dimming the Earth is considered the last resort. Mainly because the repercussions cannot be undone.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com ... 09JD012841

I also know that Bill Gates has sunk a lot of money into projects to further technology in carbon sequestration and travelling wave reactors.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... tes-trump/

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/21/carbon- ... anies.html

So the headline "Bill Gates backs untested and very risky global dimming experiment1" set off the same bullshit detector as 'forward this email and win a trillion dollars' does.

The question is; with all the failures you've been having lately - why doesn't it set off your bullshit detector?

[Freakinoldguy]

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber. And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

But, back to the topic at hand. You seem to take umbrage with the fact that by your own admission Bill Gates is knowingly funding SCoPeX and no I don't care when this technology started or who's done it before because question becomes. "Is SCoPeX studying ways to block the sun and does Bill Gates know and understand what they're doing"? My guess is the answer is yes which makes him a part of the plan to block the sun which is what the original post was about but I will grant that the headline was a bit of hyperbole.

As for my bullshit detector not going off well it might be because it's been overwhelmed by the mistruths that have been posted on here for the past decade or so and no, they weren't all right wing posts.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

You might not intend it, but you showed it anyhow. I don't hate conservative viewpoints, I share them, with a heavy Libertarian leaning. I hate Trump, and his views are not conservative views, they are generally lies. I've never hidden that. If you think Trump, or Harper, or Kenney, or Ford represent all Conservative viewpoints, then you are mistaken. They left my socially liberal, fiscally conservative tent a long time ago.

Ever notice that my position as a moderator is only ever questioned when I disagree with someone? But I wasn't moderator on the other site, and I did nothing different there than I do here, and no one questioned my posts there. In moderating I always confer with my fellow afflicted to ensure no personal bias enters any decision we make. I might be the 'bad guy' who issues the warning, but I am far from the only person making the decisions. Generally all 5 or 6 of us agree on the action, and I carry it out. Yes, even Bart agrees, when he is around.

If in my pursuit of truth, we have lost some Conservative members, that is on them. I have always wanted to express one thing only - the truth. And every thing that I post, I can back up with cold hard facts, and I often do. If Conservatives leave here because they feel they have the right to call people names or give racist remarks, and not get warnings for it, then so be it. Debate should not become personal. If they can't follow the site rules as posted, they don't need to post here.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber. And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

You say you don't want an echo chamber, but when I show you why your posts are not based in fact, you really do want an echo chamber? I don't like or trust sources because they have been shown to make up or propagate lies. Like your source above, making up a statement that appeared to be published in the Journal "Nature", but didn't actually exist in that journal. (That is a variation of the logical fallacy "Appeal From Authority", look it up)

That is what debate is, showing you why your opinion is not based in reality. Whether that is through logic, or by showing you sources of data that contradict that opinion, debate is the process of changing an opinion using these methods. If the Conservatives that left feel that debate is won by whoever shouts the most insulting thing the loudest, then we are better off with their absence.

If you don't want me questioning every article you post, post better articles that aren't so easy to shred with the truth.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

But, back to the topic at hand. You seem to take umbrage with the fact that by your own admission Bill Gates is knowingly funding SCoPeX and no I don't care when this technology started or who's done it before because question becomes. "Is SCoPeX studying ways to block the sun and does Bill Gates know and understand what they're doing"? My guess is the answer is yes which makes him a part of the plan to block the sun which is what the original post was about but I will grant that the headline was a bit of hyperbole.

I never said he wasn't funding it, because it's well known he's backing the Harvard studies. But I also posted a link to studies that have shown that darkening skies is a very last resort to fight climate change, because the result is not only unpredictable but irreversible. If we get it wrong, we die. And the Snopes article showed the claims the original article made are 'mostly false' because the experiment is to test the viability of it, not actual deployment like the original article claimed.

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

As for my bullshit detector not going off well it might be because it's been overwhelmed by the mistruths that have been posted on here for the past decade or so and no, they weren't all right wing posts.

Your bullshit detector doesn't go off because of a thing called 'cognitive bias'. You have for a long time believed that certain things are true, and when something comes along to shake that belief, you ignore it. Instead, like me, you should recognize your immediate need to reject, and explore that rejection by finding out more about the validity of the data.

Like you believe that lies have been overwhelming published here, yet basically all of stories are backed by third party or video evidence. You perceive lies because your 'common sense' is tuned to a different frequency.

Half the reason I show you how the articles you post are fabrications is to try to re-tune that detector. Eventually I hope that you will see that the things you read when you are not here (I assume) are designed to feed that bias and strengthen your resistance to fact. Or you won't come to see that. Or you will leave like all the rest. Either way, I tried. And it's never personal.

[Tricks]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

$1:

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber.

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And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

[PluggyRug]

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

$1:

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber.

$1:

And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

Echo Echo Echo

[Tricks]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

$1:

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber.

$1:

And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

Echo Echo Echo

[herbie]

The loss of those who think paranoid conspiracies, racismn, repeated falsehoods and the condemnation of anything remotely progressive leaves this forum open for actual conservatives.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

[CDN_PATRIOT]

Go home Bill Gates, you're drunk.

-J.

[Freakinoldguy]

herbie herbie:

The loss of those who think paranoid conspiracies, racismn, repeated falsehoods and the condemnation of anything remotely progressive leaves this forum open for actual conservatives.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The only rubbish is your socialist ideology and for the record you wouldn't know a real conservative if he put his boot up your ass. But then again that might prove extremely tough since your head would be in the way.

But hey I'm sure that you'll be ecstatic that the forum is turning just another dying social media platform where "wrong think" is attacked and you can spout your distasteful insults at will.

[Freakinoldguy]

Tricks Tricks:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

With no personal disrespect intended, IMO your position of moderator is being compromised by your unrelenting political bias and hate of the Conservative point of views. A fact which might, when combined with other factors have led to the recent demise of alot of the Conservative leaning members of this forum.

$1:

Nobody, not even Conservatives like to walk into an echo chamber.

$1:

And for the record I have no problem discussing a point of view but I do take exception to every post I and others you don't agree with make being denigrated because you personally don't like or trust the source. I was once told by a left wing member on here that the world wasn't black and white. Well this forum is starting to prove that fact wrong.

I'm glad you enjoyed my post.

[DrCaleb]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

herbie herbie:

The loss of those who think paranoid conspiracies, racismn, repeated falsehoods and the condemnation of anything remotely progressive leaves this forum open for actual conservatives.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.

The only rubbish is your socialist ideology and for the record you wouldn't know a real conservative if he put his boot up your ass. But then again that might prove extremely tough since your head would be in the way.

But hey I'm sure that you'll be ecstatic that the forum is turning just another dying social media platform where "wrong think" is attacked and you can spout your distasteful insults at will.

You realize you did in your first sentence what you chide imaginary people for in your second sentence?

That's exactly what the moderators are trying to prevent around here.