[Newsbot]

Title: Albertans fight for right to buy private health insurance
Category: Health
Posted By: stemmer
Date: 2012-07-11 09:10:00
Canadian

[Scape]

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Dr. Allan was told he'd have to wait five years to get surgery in Alberta. Instead of waiting, he flew to the States to have it done at a cost of $77,000.

The province later told him he could not be reimbursed because the surgery is available in Canada.

But not in a timely manner. There is an appeal process and that should be used to augment coverage on a case by case basis as deemed medically appropriate. IE if you want plastic surgery too bad but if you can not live without and there is risk to delay of treatment then the system should be made to exempt clauses.

This all requires professional judgment by adjudicators and political will to back up those judgments by the MLA's. IE you take the early option, pay for it and then try to sue because it turned out bad liability is waved as you had the option to wait.

[BartSimpson]

A wait for health care is not access to health care.

Now picture the good doctor being told that after 2014 he won't be allowed to come to the USA for his surgery, either, because the 'Affordable Care Act' prohibits foreigners from coming to the USA for elective surgeries.

[Brenda]

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"We have longer waiting lists than France or Germany, Austria, Japan or Singapore,” Carpay said.

The Dutch health care insurers help you with that.
If you can get helped quicker in Germany or Belgium, you can go there after permission from your insurer (which has people on duty who actively help you search for a quicker option abroad) and will be covered.

It is mandatory to buy basic insurance (I thought it costs Euro 120/mo/adult, price set by the government, "basic insurance" set by the government, children are free, including basic dental care), but they actually want you helped.

[Wada]

Well I've never felt like I didn't get good healthcare, in fact so far I've thought just the opposite. Then again I've never felt that I was better or more important than the next guy, either.

[BartSimpson]

Wada Wada:

Well I've never felt like I didn't get good healthcare, in fact so far I've thought just the opposite. Then again I've never felt that I was better or more important than the next guy, either.

Have you ever been told to wait five years for a procedure?

[Wada]

No! I have not, but when you know that more than half of Canadians have back problems why does this jerk feel he should be moved up in the cue. I'd move him to the end just for being a fucktard. And coming from a doctor who should know better.

[Wada]

You know the biggest problem with health care is attitude, just like its almost always the biggest problem with all our humanly interactions.

[BartSimpson]

Wada Wada:

No! I have not, but when you know that more than half of Canadians have back problems why does this jerk feel he should be moved up in the cue. I'd move him to the end just for being a fucktard. And coming from a doctor who should know better.

Meanwhile in the USA you could be indigent and you'd still get a back surgery faster than five years via a county hospital. Or through my own HMO it seems...

http://xnet.kp.org/newscenter/pressrele ... owney.html

[DanSC]

Wada Wada:

No! I have not, but when you know that more than half of Canadians have back problems why does this jerk feel he should be moved up in the cue.

He doesn't want to move up in the cue; he wants to exit the cue by going somewhere other than Canada for a procedure. It could make sense for Canada to pay for that, if it is an essential procedure.

[BartSimpson]

Oops, seems the good doctor isn't alone:

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/repor ... z20LZ70b9z

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A Canadian study released Wednesday found that many provinces in our neighbor to the North have seen patients fleeing the country and opting for medical treatment in the United States.

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

In 2011, Canadians enrolled in the nation’s government-dominated health service waited long periods of time for an estimated 941,321 procedures. As many as 2.8 percent of Canadians were waiting for treatment at any given time, according to the Institute.

“In some cases, these patients needed to leave Canada due to a lack of available resources or a lack of appropriate procedure/technology,” according to the Institute. “In others, their departure will have been driven by a desire to return more quickly to their lives, to seek out superior quality care, or perhaps to save their own lives or avoid the risk of disability.”

Increases in the number of patients leaving Canada for treatment were seen in seven of the ten Canadian provinces: British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Newfoundland and Labrador.

“Some of these patients will have been sent out of country by the public health care system due to a lack of available resources or the fact that some procedures or equipment are not provided
in their home jurisdiction,” the report concluded.

[DrCaleb]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Oops, seems the good doctor isn't alone:

Report: Thousands fled Canada for health care in 2011

"Flee", lol. No, no bias there.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

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The nonpartisan Fraser Institute

See, that was as far as they needed to go. "Nonpartisan" my left buttock.

Let me ask the obvious, how many of these people decided to self diagnose and ignore physicians advice?

[Wada]

All I'll say is IF it were not for our heaalth care system I would not have been here for the last almost fourteen years. I did not cost me one red cent and everyone I had to deal with was both extremely professional and helpful. Thankyou Canada!

[DrCaleb]

Wada Wada:

All I'll say is IF it were not for our heaalth care system I would not have been here for the last almost fourteen years. I did not cost me one red cent and everyone I had to deal with was both extremely professional and helpful. Thankyou Canada!

+1 on that!

[Wada]

Thanks DR. but it's simply the truth.