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Title: Alberta electricity rates to rise sharply because of climate plan: study | Globalnews.ca
Category: Provincial Politics
Posted By: Alta_redneck
Date: 2016-01-25 21:32:24
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[Alta_redneck]

Give her a chance they said, how much can she fuck up in 4 years they said.

[DrCaleb]

OMG! Who does she think she is, governing as if she won an election!?!

EDC sure has changed their tune in 2 short years.

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An Alberta grid powered primarily by renewable energy could diversify the economy, buffer customers from future price shocks, provide rural economic development opportunities, and of course reduce pollution and greenhouse gasses

(page 14)

http://www.ai-ees.ca/media/14181/edc_re ... titute.pdf

Wait, who are the 'EDC' anyway, and who funds them? (page 4)

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Well, that explains things.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

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An Alberta grid powered primarily by renewable energy could diversify the economy, buffer customers from future price shocks, provide rural economic development opportunities, and of course reduce pollution and greenhouse gasses

Sounds like copy/pasta from the Ontario handbook.

[uwish]

anyway you shake it, power rates are going to double over the next decade. I could buy into converting to gas, it's still fairly cheap and much cleaner than burning coal. But to force inefficient renewables just because..is complete and utter mindless idea.

There just are not real alternative to fossil fuels. Solar is about 8% efficient and is one of the dirtiest industries there is when it comes to manufacturing the panels. Wind...ok...significantly better in efficiency but we need a strategy about distribution. Are we going to just have several massive wind farms (Pincher creek style X 100) and distribute..or are we going to generate closer to home? How much of a 'levy' will there be on my power bill to buy a reasonable amount of wind turbine power generation? and for how long?

It's nice being all green when someone else is paying for it, do you really think that the majority of Albertan's could handle a doubling of their power bill? What about small business? Going from $1k/month to $2k/month? The Bow tower where I work in Calgary, consumes approximately $28K/month just on power at the current price deck, What would happen if we are paying 50Cents KW/hr and not 8 cents? Imagine passing on that increase to tenants...oh next month your bill is now $175K!!!

[peck420]

uwish uwish:

It's nice being all green when someone else is paying for it, do you really think that the majority of Albertan's could handle a doubling of their power bill? What about small business? Going from $1k/month to $2k/month? The Bow tower where I work in Calgary, consumes approximately $28K/month just on power at the current price deck, What would happen if we are paying 50Cents KW/hr and not 8 cents? Imagine passing on that increase to tenants...oh next month your bill is now $175K!!!

Too be fair, the Bow is probably going to be one of the easiest towers to convert to 'green energy', and quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that they didn't incorporate some in the base design.

[PluggyRug]

The only thing green regarding "green energy" is the colour of the dollar bill.

[uwish]

peck420 peck420:

uwish uwish:

It's nice being all green when someone else is paying for it, do you really think that the majority of Albertan's could handle a doubling of their power bill? What about small business? Going from $1k/month to $2k/month? The Bow tower where I work in Calgary, consumes approximately $28K/month just on power at the current price deck, What would happen if we are paying 50Cents KW/hr and not 8 cents? Imagine passing on that increase to tenants...oh next month your bill is now $175K!!!

Too be fair, the Bow is probably going to be one of the easiest towers to convert to 'green energy', and quite frankly, I'm a little surprised that they didn't incorporate some in the base design.

The Bow, or as I un-affectionately call it, "The Urinal" does indeed have green standards, and those 'best in class' design features include, half of the building freezing in the winter, and the other half baking in the summer. HVAC systems are always challenging in large buildings, but this one takes the prize. They have spent over $10M 'fixing' their wondering best in class building over the past 2 years. That included moving everyone out of their offices in stages to rip up the floor and try to shunt and un-shunt venting.

The pressure differential in this building is incredibly laughable, some offices have a roaring jet sound from exhaust vents others don't, elevator doors don't shut because of the delta-P. I won't talk about the plumbing issues. If this was best in class, I think I want to go back to worst in class, at least I know shit functions correctly.

[BartSimpson]

Alberta elected the NDP and now they can learn from their mistake.

[peck420]

uwish uwish:

The Bow, or as I un-affectionately call it, "The Urinal" does indeed have green standards, and those 'best in class' design features include, half of the building freezing in the winter, and the other half baking in the summer. HVAC systems are always challenging in large buildings, but this one takes the prize. They have spent over $10M 'fixing' their wondering best in class building over the past 2 years. That included moving everyone out of their offices in stages to rip up the floor and try to shunt and un-shunt venting.

The pressure differential in this building is incredibly laughable, some offices have a roaring jet sound from exhaust vents others don't, elevator doors don't shut because of the delta-P. I won't talk about the plumbing issues. If this was best in class, I think I want to go back to worst in class, at least I know shit functions correctly.

Sounds like those cost saving measures made to the exterior envelope, shortly before production, are paying off big time.

Sorry, I have to kind of snicker, they were told what was going to happen.

None of which changes the fact that she is not far off a solar chimney, as built, and has ample space for carrying PV's on fixed exterior shades. Which would make her generate a considerable amount of 'green energy' for a relatively cheap upfront cost (primary structure is already standing).

[BeaverFever]

martin14 martin14:

Sounds like copy/pasta from the Ontario handbook.

Our handbook doesn't have any pasta. There is a nice recipe for fried chickenhawk however.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

The simple fact is, if govts actually, really, truly gave a damn, they'd be all for making it easier for and permitting people to take themselves off the grid that were capable of being self-sufficient, energy generation-wise.

[martin14]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

The simple fact is, if govts actually, really, truly gave a damn, they'd be all for making it easier for and permitting people to take themselves off the grid that were capable of being self-sufficient, energy generation-wise.

What ?
No.

How then could these people make their forced contributions to keep the
big machines rolling along.

Can't have people be self sufficient anymore, it may lead to other dangerous things..
like thinking.


The government in Spain leads the way in making sure you NEVER get off the
big utility ride.