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Title: Admit 'honour' killings for waht they are.
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: EyeBrock
Date: 2010-06-16 10:53:52
Canadian

[EyeBrock]

I'm not a fan of Dosanjh's politics but I do admire him for his stands on violence within the Indian diaspora. This is a dissenting voice.

[bootlegga]

People guilty of honour killings should be tried and sentenced as a first degree murder. Afterwards, they should be thrown in a jail cell to think about what they did for the rest of their lives (no parole). I don't agree with deporting them as odds are they would get off scot free back wherever they came from.

While it probably wouldn't stop them outright, a few highly publicized cases would definitely lower the number of crimes.

This second degree crap pisses me off!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... story.html

[GreenTiger]

There is no such thing as an honor killing in ANY civilzed culture.

[KorbenDeck]

bootlegga bootlegga:

People guilty of honour killings should be tried and sentenced as a first degree murder. Afterwards, they should be thrown in a jail cell to think about what they did for the rest of their lives (no parole). I don't agree with deporting them as odds are they would get off scot free back wherever they came from.

While it probably wouldn't stop them outright, a few highly publicized cases would definitely lower the number of crimes.

This second degree crap pisses me off!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... story.html

As a Western nation Canada really needs to better protect children like Aqsa from their families. The amount of warning that we had before her murder was huge yet we didn't protect her, that is a big fail on behalf of Canada.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

People guilty of honour killings should be tried and sentenced as a first degree murder. Afterwards, they should be thrown in a jail cell to think about what they did for the rest of their lives (no parole). I don't agree with deporting them as odds are they would get off scot free back wherever they came from.

While it probably wouldn't stop them outright, a few highly publicized cases would definitely lower the number of crimes.

This second degree crap pisses me off!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... story.html

They only got the lower sentence because they pled out, a common occurrence in our justice system. Saved the tax payer the costs of the trial.

The difference it seems is rather small, life without parole possibility for 25 years as opposed to 19 years and parole is no guarantee. Publicized cases are indeed the key as is education. More importantly their community needs to address this and provide support. Community leaders need to explain to those born in raised in the culture that it is not in fact a family shame when teens act out, but rather a rite of passage in our society.

The courts and police also need to take the warning signs seriously. In fact in our own society we took a very long time coming to grips with abusive households, wife/child beating, and the dangers abusive boyfriends bring.

Plenty of children and wives and girlfriends have been murdered in our society because we didn't handle to problem correctly.

[bootlegga]

DerbyX DerbyX:

bootlegga bootlegga:

People guilty of honour killings should be tried and sentenced as a first degree murder. Afterwards, they should be thrown in a jail cell to think about what they did for the rest of their lives (no parole). I don't agree with deporting them as odds are they would get off scot free back wherever they came from.

While it probably wouldn't stop them outright, a few highly publicized cases would definitely lower the number of crimes.

This second degree crap pisses me off!

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada ... story.html

They only got the lower sentence because they pled out, a common occurrence in our justice system. Saved the tax payer the costs of the trial.

The difference it seems is rather small, life without parole possibility for 25 years as opposed to 19 years and parole is no guarantee. Publicized cases are indeed the key as is education. More importantly their community needs to address this and provide support. Community leaders need to explain to those born in raised in the culture that it is not in fact a family shame when teens act out, but rather a rite of passage in our society.

The courts and police also need to take the warning signs seriously. In fact in our own society we took a very long time coming to grips with abusive households, wife/child beating, and the dangers abusive boyfriends bring.

Plenty of children and wives and girlfriends have been murdered in our society because we didn't handle to problem correctly.

You must have misread what I wrote, because I didn't say 25 years without parole, I said life without parole, as in they can leave the prison in a pine box or not at all. Odds are that if a couple of Canadian muslim families were deprived of their ability to survive in some high-profile cases, the number of crimes like this might decrease. Not a guarantee, but one can hope.

And this isn't anti-Muslim sentiment, I think ALL 1st degree murderers should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

[DerbyX]

bootlegga bootlegga:

You must have misread what I wrote, because I didn't say 25 years without parole, I said life without parole, as in they can leave the prison in a pine box or not at all. Odds are that if a couple of Canadian muslim families were deprived of their ability to survive in some high-profile cases, the number of crimes like this might decrease. Not a guarantee, but one can hope.

And this isn't anti-Muslim sentiment, I think ALL 1st degree murderers should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

No, I read it. You stated they should have been tried for 1st degree murder which is what they were going to be had they not pled out. In addition, our justice system allows for parole hearings at 25 years.

That doesn't mean they get it. Quiet frankly it might even be more cruel and more of a punishment dangling freedom in front of them then snatching it away.

I'm also not accusing you of being anti-Muslims, especially since India isn't a Muslim nation and they are the worst for honour killings.

You are entitled to your opinion over justice. You don't believe in the death penalty whereas others would argue these people deserve just that. Its a matter of opinion. I was just citing a reason why they got a lower sentence but then the outrage over people being allowed to plead to a lower charge has long been a reality of our system.

[bootlegga]

Fair enough!

[GreenTiger]

The whole concept of "honor Killing" is disgusting in ANY civilized country. I don't care if it is based on religion, racial purity, Cultural or who won on American Idol. It's a violation of basic human rights.

DerbyX DerbyX:

bootlegga bootlegga:

You must have misread what I wrote, because I didn't say 25 years without parole, I said life without parole, as in they can leave the prison in a pine box or not at all. Odds are that if a couple of Canadian muslim families were deprived of their ability to survive in some high-profile cases, the number of crimes like this might decrease. Not a guarantee, but one can hope.

And this isn't anti-Muslim sentiment, I think ALL 1st degree murderers should spend the rest of their lives in prison.

No, I read it. You stated they should have been tried for 1st degree murder which is what they were going to be had they not pled out. In addition, our justice system allows for parole hearings at 25 years.

That doesn't mean they get it. Quiet frankly it might even be more cruel and more of a punishment dangling freedom in front of them then snatching it away.

I'm also not accusing you of being anti-Muslims, especially since India isn't a Muslim nation and they are the worst for honour killings.

You are entitled to your opinion over justice. You don't believe in the death penalty whereas others would argue these people deserve just that. Its a matter of opinion. I was just citing a reason why they got a lower sentence but then the outrage over people being allowed to plead to a lower charge has long been a reality of our system.

[kenmore]

Murder is murder and there is no other word to describe it. The responsibiity lies with the Canadian judicial system and immigration to set the record straight. These people need to be imprisoned and then deported at the end of the term. They should also be deported if they commit crimes and are found guilty of them for 10 yrs after they arrive here. There are too many young girls being killed by these barbaric fathers and the sentences are too lenient and in some case they are getting away with it.. There are those who believe that 3 other young girls who drowned in a pool at a Gananoque ( a pool that was closed and not being used) motel were victims of such a crime and some feel this guy got away with it.. The government needs to get tough with this issue if they really want to get tough on crime. And they need to round up some of the thousands (35000) illegals they can't account for.. perhaps start looking in Brampton and Mississauga for a start...