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Much like SheperdsDog said, no one is talking about banning guns, people are talking about things like not allowing suspected terrorists to buy weapons, or having background checks become mandatory,
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If anything, by not allowing those with the potential to engage in trafficking of weapons in the first place through a more rigorous enforcement of existing laws and through background checks, the ability for the black market to transport goods would likely be crippled. Gun legislation which makes it tougher for random weapons to cross borders, or similar issues between states in the USA, as is the case with Belgian weapons crossing into France, through forms of legislation that crosses those borders, would still allow for self-defense, and would still allow for hunting, but would also serve to cripple the men who provide weapons on the black market.
Having background checks for legal owners will have zero impact on illegal trafficking.
Weapons cross borders because there are no controls, or shoddy controls.
It sounds like you are advocating for border checks between U.S. states.
Oh and a strong border with Mexico. You know, like building a wall ?
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These are the kind of gun laws that many liberals consider a good first step. It doesn't mean that conservatives have to accept the next ten steps, but the assumption always seems to be that allowing that first step will lead to all of them at once.
Everyone on this forum knows full well Democrats will never stop at these 'reasonable' requests.
They won't stop, providing proof the slippery slope exists.
If you want to stop the slope, come up with a proposal, along with constitutional guarantees that that is the end of it.
Without it, your point goes nowhere.
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When legislative leaders have to negotiate whether or not people who are on the terrorist watch list (as has happened twice this year in the two largest American mass shootings) should be able to get weapons or not, it's possibly a sign that the freedom to bear arms should not be so free as to empower those most likely to abuse it rather than just use it. That's not taking away everyone's guns. That's the kind of law which might have stopped, or at least slowed down, two atrocities this year, and possibly more.
When the US government labels veterans as one the biggest sources for 'possible terrorist groupings',
that government has lost it's perspective on pretty much everything.
The argument is Obama and Hillary cannot be trusted for a no-fly no-buy list.
And then when the is full list is almost exclusively Muslims, I can hear the cries of 'racism' across the Atlantic.
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The problems that America has faced with mass shootings these past few years have largely been problems caused by legally purchased weapons in the hands of known extremists and the unstable.
I will ask you for proof of that, and as usual you have offered nothing to counter
the real issue of blacks using illegal weapons for their mass shootings.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016 ... rol-reddit$1:
The New York Times requested official details from law enforcement on 358 incidents from 2015, in which 462 people were killed and 1,330 were injured. It was able to obtain details about race for 67% of victims. Nearly three-quarters of those were black, as were about three-quarters of alleged assailants. Investigators could provide information about motivation in three out of four of the shootings.
Only about half of the mass shootings had been solved, the Times found. In some cities, the number was lower. Chicago had made arrests in only two of 16 mass shootings, while Baltimore had 11 incidents in 2015 and had not solved one.
Dante Barry, executive director of Million Hoodies for Justice, said the report highlighted “the real challenges facing black communities in holding faith in the justice system”.
“When suspected assailants cannot be identified and cases go unresolved, it doesn’t leave room for black people to believe in a system that wasn’t designed to protect our interests,” he said.
According to the Times report, even after a nearly 50% drop in the gun murder rate since the early 1990s, black Americans are still six to 10 times more likely to die from gun violence than whites.
While the report found that many multiple-victim shootings were gang-related, it also noted that the reality of this “gang violence” was very different from the image of sophisticated criminal organizations warring over drug profits and turf.
It's easy to talk about the ones the media makes into headline news, but then
how easily they miss the almost daily shooting sprees in inner city hoods.
After all, talking about them would be racist.
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