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Title: 3-year sentence in 4 Alberta teens' deaths angers families
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: martin14
Date: 2013-02-28 00:22:24
Canadian

[martin14]

Drunk, almost twice the speed limit, kills 4 people.


3 years, parole in 8 months. Nice.

[Freakinoldguy]

Once again the Justice System shows it's teeth.

No wonder there's no personal responsibilty in this country. Why would you need it when the nanny state isn't going to punish you no matter what you do.

Apparently according to some people prison isn't supposed to be punishment, it's supposed to be for reforming criminals.

Well if that's a fact how can you reform anyone if you don't keep them incarcerated long enough for them to change their minds?

[QBC]

The story is a little skewed.

The five football players were in a car that was turning around in the middle of the road at the bottom of a small dip in the dark. The guy who was charged topped the hill , going too fast and had a few drinks, and had nowhere to go. He sure as hell was in the wrong, but some of the blame does rest with the driver of the car the football players were in. I drive that road often, there are plenty of side roads and business driveways to turn around in.

I think the guy who was charged should have received a tougher sentence though.

[1Peg]

QBC QBC:

The story is a little skewed.

The five football players were in a car that was turning around in the middle of the road at the bottom of a small dip in the dark. The guy who was charged topped the hill , going too fast and had a few drinks, and had nowhere to go. He sure as hell was in the wrong, but some of the blame does rest with the driver of the car the football players were in. I drive that road often, there are plenty of side roads and business driveways to turn around in.

I think the guy who was charged should have received a tougher sentence though.

Had he been doing the speed limit they wouldn't have met in that little dip. Such a preventable accident.

[DrCaleb]

1Peg 1Peg:

QBC QBC:

The story is a little skewed.

The five football players were in a car that was turning around in the middle of the road at the bottom of a small dip in the dark. The guy who was charged topped the hill , going too fast and had a few drinks, and had nowhere to go. He sure as hell was in the wrong, but some of the blame does rest with the driver of the car the football players were in. I drive that road often, there are plenty of side roads and business driveways to turn around in.

I think the guy who was charged should have received a tougher sentence though.

Had he been doing the speed limit they wouldn't have met in that little dip. Such a preventable accident.

Which is why he was charged with dangerous driving causing death, X 3. But he left the scene of the accident, and was unaccounted for 1 hour, making impaired driving charges pretty difficult to prove.

The kid made a terrible mistake, something many people do every day without concequences, and he will pay for it - but he was not on his way to being a career criminal. He can be redeemed.

[raydan]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Which is why he was charged with dangerous driving causing death, X 3. But he left the scene of the accident, and was unaccounted for 1 hour, making impaired driving charges pretty difficult to prove.

The kid made a terrible mistake, something many people do every day without concequences, and he will pay for it - but he was not on his way to being a career criminal. He can be redeemed.

Yup... you have to protect the population first and unless he's a career dangerous driver, locking him up for a long time serves no purpose. The other reason for jail time is punishment and I think we all agree here that it should be severe. But instead of jail, is there something else that can be done. Make him a poster-child for dangerous driving, have him go to high schools and tell his story to the kids... for how long... 2 talks a week for 10 years.

[Lemmy]

raydan raydan:

Yup... you have to protect the population first and unless he's a career dangerous driver, locking him up for a long time serves no purpose. The other reason for jail time is punishment and I think we all agree here that it should be severe. But instead of jail, is there something else that can be done. Make him a poster-child for dangerous driving, have him go to high schools and tell his story to the kids... for how long... 2 talks a week for 10 years.

Great idea. Too bad his attorney would probably have that sentence overturned on the shithead's Charter rights to be free from cruel and unusual punishment.

[raydan]

Lemmy Lemmy:

raydan raydan:

Yup... you have to protect the population first and unless he's a career dangerous driver, locking him up for a long time serves no purpose. The other reason for jail time is punishment and I think we all agree here that it should be severe. But instead of jail, is there something else that can be done. Make him a poster-child for dangerous driving, have him go to high schools and tell his story to the kids... for how long... 2 talks a week for 10 years.

Great idea. Too bad his attorney would probably have that sentence overturned on the shithead's Charter rights to be free from cruel and unusual punishment.

Well if you give him the choice between 10 years in jail or this, I think I know which one he'll choose. Even his attorney won't argue with that.

[BartSimpson]

QBC QBC:

The story is a little skewed.

The five football players were in a car that was turning around in the middle of the road at the bottom of a small dip in the dark. The guy who was charged topped the hill , going too fast and had a few drinks, and had nowhere to go. He sure as hell was in the wrong, but some of the blame does rest with the driver of the car the football players were in. I drive that road often, there are plenty of side roads and business driveways to turn around in.

I think the guy who was charged should have received a tougher sentence though.

Just curious, where you know the road do you think in the same circumstance that you could have stopped in time if you were sober and obeying the speed limit?

[QBC]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

QBC QBC:

The story is a little skewed.

The five football players were in a car that was turning around in the middle of the road at the bottom of a small dip in the dark. The guy who was charged topped the hill , going too fast and had a few drinks, and had nowhere to go. He sure as hell was in the wrong, but some of the blame does rest with the driver of the car the football players were in. I drive that road often, there are plenty of side roads and business driveways to turn around in.

I think the guy who was charged should have received a tougher sentence though.

Just curious, where you know the road do you think in the same circumstance that you could have stopped in time if you were sober and obeying the speed limit?

It would be touch and go. An RCMP officer at the time stated that in his opinion, speeding or not, sober or not, the accident would have happened. You also have to remember that he only blew .03 , as far as I know anyway, at the time of the accident and his estimated speed was only 5-10 kph more than the 80kph speed limit. Those young lads couldn't have picked a worse spot on that stretch of road to turn around, it is the only dip in the road. This is just a sad story all the way around.

[andyt]

QBC QBC:

It would be touch and go. An RCMP officer at the time stated that in his opinion, speeding or not, sober or not, the accident would have happened. You also have to remember that he only blew .03 , as far as I know anyway, at the time of the accident and his estimated speed was only 5-10 kph more than the 80kph speed limit. Those young lads couldn't have picked a worse spot on that stretch of road to turn around, it is the only dip in the road. This is just a sad story all the way around.

In light of this, he got a pretty harsh sentence. While I support stiff drinking and driving laws, I think the actions of the victims should also be taken into account. Ie how much did they contribute to the accident. And .03 is not illegal. Even if he disappeared for an hour, he couldn't have been very drunk at the time of the accident.

[QBC]

This whole thing seems to have taken on a life unto itself. The press is saying "the families" are upset. One of the fathers forgave Holubowich just days after the accident saying it wasn't really his fault and one of the mothers actually showed up on the first day of the hearing asking the judge to drop the charges against Holubowich and stated the same thing. I'm not sure where this article is getting the info on his speed. I'm sure at the time the radio news stated he was only doing like 90 kph.

[andyt]

I think he got whacked because he killed popular kids.

[QBC]

This is the article I posted a couple days ago from the Grande Prairie paper.......
http://www.canadaka.net/link.php?id=77923