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Title: 1 dead, others hurt in shooting at Seattle Pacific University before student tackles gunman
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: DrCaleb
Date: 2014-06-06 07:06:11

[andyt]

way to go Jon Meis

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

way to go Jon Meis

I guess the UofA training video saying to 'fight back' as a last resort doesn't seem so outlandish now.

[andyt]

How can fighting back as last resort be outlandish? If you're cornered you might as well try to inflict as much damage as you can - any animal knows that.

This guy tho, wasn't cornered, he could have run away. Took guts to do what he did. And lucky he had pepper spray with him. This would be an instance where a handgun would have come in handy, except in the larger scheme of things that would do more harm than good.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

How can fighting back as last resort be outlandish? If you're cornered you might as well try to inflict as much damage as you can - any animal knows that.

Fight or flight, an instinct that some people ignore. Good job for this young man.

$1:

This guy tho, wasn't cornered, he could have run away. Took guts to do what he did. And lucky he had pepper spray with him. This would be an instance where a handgun would have come in handy, except in the larger scheme of things that would do more harm than good.

Curious andy, how having a pistol with him would come in handy but also do more harm than good?

[andyt]

OK, let's try having an actual discussion and see what happens.

Note the words larger scheme of things. If everybody had been armed in this case, think of the mayhem that might have ensued with bullets flying everywhere. Maybe kill more people than the gunman. Maybe have people shooting each other thinking they are the gunman.

Secondly, with guns on everybody's hip, how many would be used for intimidation or even score settling? How many people are unstable enough that in a confrontaton over a parking space, say, will use their gun. Or use their gun because they think the other person will use theirs?

Again, probably more victims in the larger scheme of things than caused by the mass shooters - they're pretty rare. Do you really want to live in that kind of society, where everybody walks around armed? Even in this particular instance, if Jon Meis had been armed, he might have stood well back and started firing, missing the gunman but possibly hitting others. Instead he had to get in close and use a weapon that can't kill anybody.

[BartSimpson]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

Curious andy, how having a pistol with him would come in handy but also do more harm than good?

Because then the volunteer security guard could have shot the criminal and in the Andyverse any use of a firearm is wrong.

[BartSimpson]

andyt andyt:

Do you really want to live in that kind of society, where everybody walks around armed?

You should try it sometime. It'll do you a world of good.

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

OK, let's try having an actual discussion and see what happens.

Ask a question, get a snarky remark as your opening. Why did I expect any different.

$1:

Note the words larger scheme of things. If everybody had been armed in this case, think of the mayhem that might have ensued with bullets flying everywhere. Maybe kill more people than the gunman. Maybe have people shooting each other thinking they are the gunman.

Maybe, and then again maybe not. Pure speculation and we'll never know

$1:

Secondly, with guns on everybody's hip, how many would be used for intimidation or even score settling? How many people are unstable enough that in a confrontaton over a parking space, say, will use their gun. Or use their gun because they think the other person will use theirs?

Are you honestly thinking that it would turn into a wild, west shootout?

$1:

Again, probably more victims in the larger scheme of things than caused by the mass shooters - they're pretty rare. Do you really want to live in that kind of society, where everybody walks around armed? Even in this particular instance, if Jon Meis had been armed, he might have stood well back and started firing, missing the gunman but possibly hitting others. Instead he had to get in close and use a weapon that can't kill anybody.

I'll give you a hint andy, something that people like yourself never think about. There are already people walking around armed all the time, gang-bangers and drug dealers are the usual suspects especially in your neck of the woods.

[andyt]

Thank God we'll never know, since we don't allow ccw much in Canada. A panic situation can easily turn into a wild west shoot out.

Are you honestly saying that if the average citizen could carry, it would make us safer from drug dealers? Doesn't seem to work in the US. Now there would be a situation of pure mayhem, some drug dealers shooting it out between themselves (which is why they have the guns) and some regular citizens deciding to join the fun - what a mess. No thanks, I'll stick to what we've got going now.

[housewife]

andyt andyt:

How can fighting back as last resort be outlandish? If you're cornered you might as well try to inflict as much damage as you can - any animal knows that.

This guy tho, wasn't cornered, he could have run away. Took guts to do what he did. And lucky he had pepper spray with him. This would be an instance where a handgun would have come in handy, except in the larger scheme of things that would do more harm than good.

A gun really andyt I'm shocked....

[Goober911]

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