Report: US monitored 60 million calls in SpainLaw & Order | 207465 hits | Oct 28 12:16 pm | Posted by: DrCaleb  MADRID (AP) — A Spanish newspaper published a document Monday that it said shows the U.S. National Security Agency spied on more than 60 million phone calls in Spain in one month alone — the latest revelation about alleged massive U.S. spying on allies.Commentsview comments in forum Page 1 You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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The U.S. "acknowledges that some of our closest allies have raised concerns about the recent series of unauthorized disclosures of classified information," the ambassador said.
No, Mr. Ambassador, I think they are pissed off because you put your nose up their ass in the first place. Wonder if Marian's phone has been bugged as well, because he is of course a well known terrorist, just like Merkel.
It's too bad those resources aren't used where they could be some benefit.
"We see that you're concerned but we're not going to stop."
And guess what? No one's going to call the bluff. It's not going to stop, it'll just become more secret.
Is being dense a job requirement for leadership positions in the Europe?
If you want to stop the peeping tom, you put blinds on your window (or kick 'em in the crotch). Ask them nicely to stop? Really? Are they daft?
Is being dense a job requirement for leadership positions in the Europe?
If you want to stop the peeping tom, you put blinds on your window (or kick 'em in the crotch). Ask them nicely to stop? Really? Are they daft?
Bit difficult to do anything, really.
Everyone still depends on the US for a lot of security, and little things like GPS.
Be kind of dumb for any kind of trade sanctions with economy the way it is.
What I would love to see is every American ambassador in the EU countries booted out.
That would send a very strong message to the US, that it fucked up bad this time,
and also end the disaster that has been Obama's foreign policy; no one would
even pick up the phone after that.
So, of course, it won't happen.
The Americans are handling this terribly. They remind me of customer support for a telecom.
"We see that you're concerned but we're not going to stop."
And guess what? No one's going to call the bluff. It's not going to stop, it'll just become more secret.
Well, it was secret to start with. The problem is that that level of Orwellian snooping necessarily has to involve a cast of thousands. You are going to get your Snowdens and Mannings.
The US is correct that even allies spy on each other and always have. What they don't seem to have any sense of is that allowing for the fact that friendlies spy on each other doesn't give them moral licence for this scale of surveillance.
It may not stop this time, but generally speaking there will be a tipping point. Governments are becoming more and more secretive of their owen information and helping thesmelves more and more readily to ours.
What's the use of that information? Is the NSA worried Spaniards are going to go over their allotted minutes?
What's the use of that information? Is the NSA worried Spaniards are going to go over their allotted minutes?
If phone records show a girl called her doctor, a pregnancy councillor, then her boyfriend, then an abortion clinic, then a suicide prevention hotline - do we really need to have a record of the conversations?
But that’s not the most revealing thing about metadata, or the only reason to be concerned about the privacy implications of a massive call records database. Metadata ultimately exposes something deeper, far more than what a target is talking about.
Metadata is our context. And that can reveal far more about us — both individually and as groups — than the words we speak.
Context yields insights into who we are and the implicit, hidden relationships between us. A complete set of all the calling records for an entire country is therefore a record not just of how the phone is used, but, coupled with powerful software, of our importance to each other, our interests, values, and the various roles we play.
The better understood the patterns of a particular group’s behavior, the more useful it is. This makes using metadata to identify lone-wolf Al Qaeda sympathizers (a tiny minority about whose social behavior relatively little is known) a lot harder than, say, rooting out Tea Partiers or Wall Street Occupiers, let alone the people with whom we share our beds.
It is, in effect, a National Relationship Database.
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/06/ph ... ink-again/
Everyone is going through the motions, because they don't want people to know this is just day to day business as usual. And it needs to stop.
Yoiu could get a neo-Luddite movement--people who stay off-line, insist on using cash and hide their faces from cameras. Then again, I think it's already illegal to hide your face in public, and I wouldn't be surprised if cash started to get phased out.
I suppose the other option is to advocate for stronger oversight by elected political bodies.