If it wasn't a police officer, I may not have these suspicions, but someone trained in the use of firearms and handling situations like this, killing an unarmed (as much as we know) and unidentified (what he says) intruder... I'll have my doubts until we get the whole story.
"QBall" said I think this is the oddest (not to mention poorly constructed) sentence in the article:
At first, paramedics could not find an entry wound to the victim, but it then was located in the right back area, Rivet said.
He was shot with a .45 and the paramedics had a hard time finding the entry wound?
Sometimes an entry wound will be hard to find because they sometimes tend to close on themselves and might not be located where you would initially suspect.
"BeaverFever" said Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
"2Cdo" said "medical issues?" I'm thinking alcohol and/or other drugs.
Or he's in shock from killing his son.
But I just knew you would assume it was drugs or alcohol use by a police officer. One of the stories I read says that the police are looking at the possibility that one or both of them were intoxicated.
"2Cdo" said "medical issues?" I'm thinking alcohol and/or other drugs.
Or he's in shock from killing his son.
But I just knew you would assume it was drugs or alcohol use by a police officer.
"We're concerned with whether or not the shooter was intoxicated, and whether or not the victim was intoxicated, or both," said Jeff Carpenter, acting district attorney for Herkimer County, N.Y., who is assisting with the investigation.
I'd like to see Bart and other gun advocates weigh in here. This is a former police captain (ie well trained and experienced) who just blasts away at someone he can't see because they entered his motel room. This in a small, very peaceful community, ie the chance the "intruder" is out to kill him is minuscule. I hope for his sake the cop was drunk, seems easier to bear that poor judgement than if he was sober. I guess this is just some more collateral damage and worth the price of making people feel safer by having a gun within easy reach.
"BartSimpson" said Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
He was off-duty and in the town with his son on vacation, not in the heat of a police investigation. And he was a small-town cop (village actually)so hardly has the excuse of "combat reflex". He was acting the way so many random assholes with a gun do: shoot first, ask questions later.
"BeaverFever" said Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
He was off-duty and in the town with his son on vacation, not in the heat of a police investigation. And he was a small-town cop (village actually)so hardly has the excuse of "combat reflex". He was acting the way so many random assholes with a gun do: shoot first, ask questions later.
He's the retired captain of Rochester NY. He shot a woman coming at him with a knife while on duty, which got the black community all riled up at the time.
Well at least in that case, he was on duty and facing an actual criminal. In this case, he was just shooting shadows in the back and in the dark, clearly not under threat.
All I can say is I feel terrible for the guy - frankly, now isn't the time to turn this into a debate on gun rights - you want to do that - IMHO, go to the Aurora thread and do so there.
This is nothing less than a horrible tragedy - and one reason why I've fought the urge to buy another firearm after I got married and started a family (the other is worrying about an accidental shooting at home).
If it was me and I had done this to my daughter, I probably would have told the investigators what happened and then put the gun in my mouth and pulled the trigger.
If it wasn't a police officer, I may not have these suspicions, but someone trained in the use of firearms and handling situations like this, killing an unarmed (as much as we know) and unidentified (what he says) intruder... I'll have my doubts until we get the whole story.
He was shot with a .45 and the paramedics had a hard time finding the entry wound?
I think this is the oddest (not to mention poorly constructed) sentence in the article:
He was shot with a .45 and the paramedics had a hard time finding the entry wound?
Sometimes an entry wound will be hard to find because they sometimes tend to close on themselves and might not be located where you would initially suspect.
Now exit wounds are usually far easier to find.
Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
"medical issues?" I'm thinking alcohol and/or other drugs.
Or he's in shock from killing his son.
But I just knew you would assume it was drugs or alcohol use by a police officer.
"medical issues?" I'm thinking alcohol and/or other drugs.
Or he's in shock from killing his son.
But I just knew you would assume it was drugs or alcohol use by a police officer.
One of the stories I read says that the police are looking at the possibility that one or both of them were intoxicated.
"medical issues?" I'm thinking alcohol and/or other drugs.
Or he's in shock from killing his son.
But I just knew you would assume it was drugs or alcohol use by a police officer.
I'd like to see Bart and other gun advocates weigh in here. This is a former police captain (ie well trained and experienced) who just blasts away at someone he can't see because they entered his motel room. This in a small, very peaceful community, ie the chance the "intruder" is out to kill him is minuscule. I hope for his sake the cop was drunk, seems easier to bear that poor judgement than if he was sober. I guess this is just some more collateral damage and worth the price of making people feel safer by having a gun within easy reach.
Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
He was off-duty and in the town with his son on vacation, not in the heat of a police investigation. And he was a small-town cop (village actually)so hardly has the excuse of "combat reflex". He was acting the way so many random assholes with a gun do: shoot first, ask questions later.
Also note, the son was shot in the BACK...another responsible American gun owner eh?
This was done by a police officer. You are hundreds of times more likely to be wrongfully shot by a police officer in the USA than you are by a concealed carry permit holder, CCW holders being an example of responsible American gun owners.
He was off-duty and in the town with his son on vacation, not in the heat of a police investigation. And he was a small-town cop (village actually)so hardly has the excuse of "combat reflex". He was acting the way so many random assholes with a gun do: shoot first, ask questions later.
He's the retired captain of Rochester NY. He shot a woman coming at him with a knife while on duty, which got the black community all riled up at the time.
This is nothing less than a horrible tragedy - and one reason why I've fought the urge to buy another firearm after I got married and started a family (the other is worrying about an accidental shooting at home).
If it was me and I had done this to my daughter, I probably would have told the investigators what happened and then put the gun in my mouth and pulled the trigger.