[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Two murders, near you, and you think people in Regina are more likely to be murdered?

And your quibble is? Regina has a higher murder rate than TO. Just like TO, it will have areas where you are statistically more or less likely to be murdered. IE Regina will have its Jane and Finch area too. However it seems that the recent champ is Thunder Bay.

When gunshots are going off in your back yard, you are more likely to be shot regardless of the murder rate elsewhere. Unless someone somewhere has a higher rate of gunshots in their backyard. Being Fitch Ave, that would have be be Detroit or Chicago, not Regina.

[andyt]

Would it? No area of Regina where gunshots are going off in your back yard? I don't understand how that can be, since Regina has a much higher murder rate than TO. It's all happening in people's front yards?

Actually Detroit only ranks as no. 5 and East Chicago as no. 26.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Would it? No area of Regina where gunshots are going off in your back yard? I don't understand how that can be, since Regina has a much higher murder rate than TO. It's all happening in people's front yards?

I think your misunderstanding is willful. Going on summer vacation and trying to fill up your trolling tank beforehand?

Good luck with that.

[andyt]

Seems to me your the one not getting it. Toronto, just like Regina will have more and less dangerous areas. Since the murder rate in Regina is much higher than Toronto, there will be areas in Regina that are more dangerous than Toronto as well. So areas where gunshots are going off in people's back yards, as you put it. People are more likely to be murdered there, as he said. It is of course possible that in Regina there is no one concentrated area where murders are more likely, but I doubt it.

You like to pull the trolling card pretty quick, huh?

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

Seems to me your the one not getting it. Toronto, just like Regina will have more and less dangerous areas. Since the murder rate in Regina is much higher than Toronto, there will be areas in Regina that are more dangerous than Toronto as well. So areas where gunshots are going off in people's back yards, as you put it. People are more likely to be murdered there, as he said.

You like to pull the trolling card pretty quick, huh?

Yes, because that's how you've been acting the last few days. I'm one of the few allies you have around here, because I treat everyone without prejudice. But you've been going out of your way to misinterpret me in hopes, I can only assume, of pissing me off. aka: trolling; the classic definition. So, you reap what you sow.

Like this, for example. I know you are a smart person, so you know that the murder rate has little to do with your odds of actually being shot. Statistically, murders are committed by someone you know, usually over drugs, alcohol or women. And those murders are with sharp or blunt instruments, not usually guns. Drug peddling and alcohol consumption related murders are not big risk factors for people who don't participate in those activities. So unless Delwin is a heroin pushing pimp, he's at little risk of being murdered by someone he knows.

But gang related violence tends to cause random unrelated casualties, as we've seen over and over in the Jane and Fitch area of Toronto. People living there are at greater risk or being involved in a random shooting than someone who lives near drug dealers in Regina who stab each other.

But you already knew this. So I can only assume your misunderstanding is willful.

[OnTheIce]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Yes, because that's how you've been acting the last few days. I'm one of the few allies you have around here, because I treat everyone without prejudice. But you've been going out of your way to misinterpret me in hopes, I can only assume, of pissing me off. aka: trolling; the classic definition. So, you reap what you sow.

His admitted intention to coming to CKA was to troll.

Don't be surprised when it happens.

[DrCaleb]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Yes, because that's how you've been acting the last few days. I'm one of the few allies you have around here, because I treat everyone without prejudice. But you've been going out of your way to misinterpret me in hopes, I can only assume, of pissing me off. aka: trolling; the classic definition. So, you reap what you sow.

His admitted intention to coming to CKA was to troll.

Don't be surprised when it happens.

I am, a bit. We've been having some good conversations lately. It seemed as though he responded in the manner he was treated. Shame that had to change.

[andyt]

No gang related violence in Regina? Nobody using guns there where random casualties can occur? Maybe not, I don't know, but it seems unlikely. We have lots of gang shootings in Vancouver, or Surrey, at the moment. Actually few deaths and very few random casualties. Doubt it's different in Toronto. I think you are making too much of it. These things get hyped up, and usually it turns out, most people, even in those areas, go about their ordinary lives. Unless of course you are Thanos and wand to go on and on about the didus and congos and what have you.

A lot of the random shootings happen outside the "hood" like at night clubs or was it the Eaton Centre (Jane Kreba). So you're more likely to be shot while out clubbing or what have you. I think you're just buying into the hype. I haven't been to where Delwin lives, so I'd be willing to just take his word for it that he feels as reasonably safe as you can expect these days.

As for misinterpreting you - I do find what you say obtuse, often, or just out of left field. You've admitted you like to play around, so I never know if that's what you're doing or not.

[andyt]

$1:

The number of people killed or injured by guns in Toronto so far this year is already higher than 2014, reversing a recent downward trend. But while gun violence appears to be going up in Ontario’s capital, criminologists say this apparent increase in gun violence doesn’t necessarily mean the city is becoming more dangerous.

Dr. Lee noted that compared to cities of a similar size in North America, such as Chicago, Toronto’s homicide rate is so low that it might be considered “exemplary.” According to Statistics Canada, in 2013, the most recent year for which data is available, the homicide rate in Toronto was 1.34 per 100,000 people. The city with the highest homicide rate in the country that year was Regina, at 3.84 homicides per 100,000 people.

Statscan data also show that firearm-related homicide rate in Toronto has been in steady decline since 2008, decreasing nearly 50 per cent over five years to 0.47 per 100,000 people in 2013.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tor ... e26062148/

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

$1:

The number of people killed or injured by guns in Toronto so far this year is already higher than 2014, reversing a recent downward trend. But while gun violence appears to be going up in Ontario’s capital, criminologists say this apparent increase in gun violence doesn’t necessarily mean the city is becoming more dangerous.

Dr. Lee noted that compared to cities of a similar size in North America, such as Chicago, Toronto’s homicide rate is so low that it might be considered “exemplary.” According to Statistics Canada, in 2013, the most recent year for which data is available, the homicide rate in Toronto was 1.34 per 100,000 people. The city with the highest homicide rate in the country that year was Regina, at 3.84 homicides per 100,000 people.

Statscan data also show that firearm-related homicide rate in Toronto has been in steady decline since 2008, decreasing nearly 50 per cent over five years to 0.47 per 100,000 people in 2013.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tor ... e26062148/

That's all very nice, but homicide rate is not an indication of increased probability of being randomly killed. Gang violence is. Toronto has it. Regina, not so much.

[DrCaleb]

$1:

Homicide victims and accused most likely to be male and young

Nearly two-thirds of accused were convicted of a previous offence

Homicides committed by acquaintances continue to decrease

More than one in five solved homicides committed by an intimate partner

Slight increase in homicides related to victim's profession

In 2014, there were 81 homicides related to the victim's profession, 3 more than in the previous year. The majority of these homicides were linked to illegal activities, including drug trafficking and prostitution (83%). While the number of prostitutes killed as a result of their profession decreased from 12 in 2013 to 4, it should be noted that the number in 2013 was particularly high. Between 2004 and 2013, an average of 7 prostitutes were victims of homicide each year.

One in five persons accused of homicide suspected of having a mental or developmental disorder

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2 ... eng.htm#a5

These are factors in being the victim of homicide. Not the murder rate.

[andyt]

OK, I agree with that. Guess I misunderstood your point. But, gang violence is not contained to a specific neighborhood. As I said, look at the random killings reported in TO, they are all over the place, but often near the clubs. That's not Jane and Finch. Apparently there are some social housing buildings or blocks scattered among a more middle class neighborhood. So as Delwin says, you just have to know what block to avoid. The whole neighborhood isn't just whizzing with bullets. So maybe you also misunderstood Delwin's point.

WE don't have the large ghettos the way the US does. If I look at the gang shootings in Vancouver, they occur all over the place. Often in moving cars - ie don't drive anywhere because you might be at risk. For sure don't be a legit mechanic taking a gangster's car out for a test drive, you might get shot, as happened here.

[BartSimpson]

Thanos Thanos:

Maybe that long overdue continent-wide police work action/strike is finally going to happen. Don't like us? Fine. Enjoy life without us as we take the summer off.

If local law enforcement all took a vacation in this town then I'm going to go out and clean up the neighborhood unimpeded.

Fuck. Yeah.

[andyt]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

$1:

Homicide victims and accused most likely to be male and young

Nearly two-thirds of accused were convicted of a previous offence

Homicides committed by acquaintances continue to decrease

More than one in five solved homicides committed by an intimate partner

Slight increase in homicides related to victim's profession

In 2014, there were 81 homicides related to the victim's profession, 3 more than in the previous year. The majority of these homicides were linked to illegal activities, including drug trafficking and prostitution (83%). While the number of prostitutes killed as a result of their profession decreased from 12 in 2013 to 4, it should be noted that the number in 2013 was particularly high. Between 2004 and 2013, an average of 7 prostitutes were victims of homicide each year.

One in five persons accused of homicide suspected of having a mental or developmental disorder

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2 ... eng.htm#a5

These are factors in being the victim of homicide. Not the murder rate.

Actually that leaves Delwin out, unless his intimate partner has a go at him. Or he's a prostitute.

[DrCaleb]

andyt andyt:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

$1:

Homicide victims and accused most likely to be male and young

Nearly two-thirds of accused were convicted of a previous offence

Homicides committed by acquaintances continue to decrease

More than one in five solved homicides committed by an intimate partner

Slight increase in homicides related to victim's profession

In 2014, there were 81 homicides related to the victim's profession, 3 more than in the previous year. The majority of these homicides were linked to illegal activities, including drug trafficking and prostitution (83%). While the number of prostitutes killed as a result of their profession decreased from 12 in 2013 to 4, it should be noted that the number in 2013 was particularly high. Between 2004 and 2013, an average of 7 prostitutes were victims of homicide each year.

One in five persons accused of homicide suspected of having a mental or developmental disorder

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2 ... eng.htm#a5

These are factors in being the victim of homicide. Not the murder rate.

Actually that leaves Delwin out, unless his intimate partner has a go at him. Or he's a prostitute.

No, it includes him. Do we need to discuss the difference between 'odds' and 'probability'? The homicide rate increases the 'odds' of being a victim of murder, but not the probability. Living near where gang shootings occurs increases the probability.

andyt andyt:

So as Delwin says, you just have to know what block to avoid. The whole neighborhood isn't just whizzing with bullets. So maybe you also misunderstood Delwin's point.

Delwin Delwin:

This happened a couple of blocks from me.

The last few weeks have been particularly bad though, a pregnant woman was killed, the baby survived, A random bullet ended up in a bystander's living room, and now this.

It's a handful of troublemakers though. Statistically, your chances of getting murdered are higher in Regina.

Pretty sure I understood his point. And it was incorrect. If bullets are whizzing around your neighborhood, the probability of you being randomly killed increases. The price of tea in China does not factor in to it.