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Title: Some of the budget's biggest critics: Tories
Category: Political
Posted By: hurley_108
Date: 2009-01-30 08:16:13
Canadian

[Streaker]

Cracks are forming within the party. Maybe the true believers should take off and start a new one.

[westmanguy]

This is an uncomfortable situation for the party.

I'm not happy we're spending so much money, but I do realize we have little choice. We have international obligations to the IMF to spend $$ on a stimulus package, and I'm thankful the money is being spent on tax cuts, tax credits, and infrastructure rather then new government social programs.

I still don't like it though, and I know many fellow Conservative grassroots who are refusing to donate to the party until they become more fiscally tight with the federal coffers.

[bootlegga]

$1:

“The Conservative party is conservative in name only. It makes me yearn for the days when we had a relatively fiscally conservative leader like Jean Chrétien,” Mr. Nicholls said, referring to the former Liberal prime minister's victory in slaying the deficit in the mid-1990s and paying down federal debt.

LMAO

[hurley_108]

westmanguy westmanguy:

This is an uncomfortable situation for the party.

I'm not happy we're spending so much money, but I do realize we have little choice. We have international obligations to the IMF to spend $$ on a stimulus package,

What obligations would those be? What would be the consequences? I'm reminded of something someone said back in '84 along the lines of "you could have said 'no.'"

[Canadian_Mind]

spending increases are good, but any tax cuts are bad. i wonder how much less of a deficit we would have if taxes were maintained.

[hurley_108]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

spending increases are good, but any tax cuts are bad. i wonder how much less of a deficit we would have if taxes were maintained.

The way they went about the tax cuts isn't so bad - boosting personal exemptions and shifting the brackets. These things are done almost as a matter of course every year, an to make up for the cuts now, they can just fail to move them as much as they would have in future. They can catch up. But it was absolutely asinine to cut the GST and income tax, at the height of the boom which preceded this bust, leaving themselves with no room to maneuver.

[Canadian_Mind]

even then people such as myself would be more inclined to save the spare money from income tax and GST then spend it, and frankly for most peopl the 2% GST did fack-all to change the price at the till, and now the government is making 8 - 12 billion less every year.

just think, with a maintained 7% GST over 5 years the federal government could be only going 44 billion into the red over the next 2 years, and the following years actually be making money again.

[uwish]

I fully admit I am not fan of this budget. It is a result of the coalition's demands for spending and economic stimulus.

While I realize people don't like it when you 'blame' the budget on someone else, but there are two choices,

1. put forward this socialist budget (as the coalition is demanding)

2. don't and put forward a 'conservative' budget

All that means now for option #2 is we will have another election, or the liberals could just turtle again and not show up?

I don't think the nation would like to see another election and this spending stimulus BS has so much momentum now. Apparently, the public are in support of is (if only barley).

I see it as a dammed if your do, dammed if you don't situation. The only positive side to all this I can see, is the true colours of Taliban "power hungry" Jack are no longer hidden behind his mustache. Hence, the coalition appears to be dead, so we are sort of at a stalemate.

[EyeBrock]

Stevey has lost the plot.
The screw ups during the 2008 election campaign just annoyed the crap out of me. That was then compounded by his falling into the 'coalition' trap that was set for him by that loser Layton.

His partisan arrogance ensured that all his enemies were well primed for an expected sectarian swipe in the first throne speech.
Old Stevey just couldn't help himself and didn't disappoint.
He had to stick the knife in even though he gained another crappy minority, and, as we say in Manchester, he showed his arse.

For me that was a cock-up too many and I think the CPC needs to look for a different leader and a different direction.

[uwish]

Streaker Streaker:

Cracks are forming within the party. Maybe the true believers should take off and start a new one.

At least we voice our and don't try to hide them like so 'other' parties. If we are not happy we speak.

[Canadian_Mind]

Yea, I'm losing alot of conidence in Harper. I think Iggy should be given a shot at being leader fo the country (not the coalition) while Harper finds a replacement.

Then if Iggy proves inept, Harper's successor could potentially pove himself.

[ridenrain]

Spread division.. oldest trick in the Kinsella book.
The fools over at the Libbloggers are running a little contest, counting the BloggingTories that they think have dropped faith in the budget. These were the same folks who were pillars of salt when the ADSCAM mess was public.


While were at it:

ST. JOHN'S — Two Liberal MPs from Newfoundland say they will break party ranks and vote against the federal budget next week if changes aren't made that protect $1.5-billion for their province.

I wonder if they want to cross the floor soon, or will King Danny be starting up his own country soon?

[Proculation]

I'm one of those tories.
Harper is becoming a closet socialist. I am VERY disappointed...

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

spending increases are good, but any tax cuts are bad. i wonder how much less of a deficit we would have if taxes were maintained.

How come tax cuts are bad ? It's true that government is MUCH better to administrate your money...

And how come putting ourselves in a deficit by increasing spending is good ?
When you are in personal financial crisis, you are the kind of guy to get more credit and put yourself more into the red hole?

[ridenrain]

What's the alternatives? Take a hard line and stand the chance of being replaced by the goat rodeo coalition? If we stay in power then the same whining artists and poverty pimps can rally their support and we get voted out before anything good can happen.
I'm against government interfering in business but the reality is that politics is all about compromise. Go tell you're riding associates or you're CPC candidates. If you paid to be a member, go tell them what you think and get you're money's worth.