[jj2424]

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

Give it up you liberal hack.

Pot, meet kettle!

You claim to be non-partisan. I don't.

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

To me, the effort one makes to make amends counts in the end.

So two guys make "amends" and you just prefer the one guys favour over another?

Harb accepted his loan from a Ottawa businessman and philanthropist who does business with the federal government.

The Business Inn has received annual government contracts worth a total of more than $9.37 million since 2009.

The section of the Criminal Code related to “frauds on government” states a government official — defined as anyone “appointed or elected to discharge a public duty,” such as a senator — cannot accept an “advantage or benefit of any kind” from “a person who has dealings with the government” without written permission from the head of their branch of government. Harb never asked for permission.

So you can crow all you want about Harb being the 'better' of the two failures when in fact, it's quite the opposite. He's the worst offender for false claims and the borrowing of his money appears to be violation of the criminal code.

You make it sound like I'm lionizing one guy and berating the other one.

I'm most definitely not. Duffy rates a zero in my books and Harb is like 1 or 2%. If your info is correct and Harb's payment is as fishy as Duffy's, than Harb drops back down to a zero.

Finally, if they all make amends equal to 100% of their fraudulent expenses, then there really is no "worst offender" - they should all be considered equally guilty.

[bootlegga]

Unsound Unsound:

bootlegga bootlegga:

[That's why hardly anyone in Europe is pissed at Germany (at least over events from WW2) these days and most of Asia hates Japan.

Most of your post is good, but this made me laugh a bit. My relatives in Denmark pretty much all still hate the germans. Granted, some of it cause they're the americans of europe. Loud, arrogant, etc. But it takes very little scratching to get to the bitterness and anger from the occupation.

It's a while since I've been there, so it's possible that the younger generations aren't as bad, but everyone my age has a grandparent or a parent or some other relative who suffered or died.

My dad's cousin suffered her whole life from various physical and mental ailments brought on by her time in a prison camp. Both my grandfathers were in the resistance. My grandmother would still get shaky 60 years later talking about the SS searching the house and actually looking into the closet were the rifles were hidden.

Sorry, it's a bit of a digression i know, carry on with the senate talk.

Fair enough - I'm sure if you dig deep enough in Europe, you'd still find a large number of old salts who still hate the Germans for what they did in WW2.

But when you compare Germany's relations with Israel (whose people it tried to exterminate) and the relations between China and Japan's, the level of overall animosity is vastly different. That is no doubt due in large part to the effort Germany (then West Germany) made to try and atone/apologize for the atrocities its soldiers and citizens committed. Japan on the other hand, swept it under the rug and just hoped it would go away.

[bootlegga]

Unsound Unsound:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Still, there is hope - you should have read to the end of the article;

$1:

But Thomas said a private member’s bill could soon change that.

It was introduced by John Williamson, a past director of the Taxpayers Federation and one-time spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper who went on to be elected as a Conservative MP in New Brunswick.

Williamson’s bill would deprive any senator or MP convicted of an indictable offence while in office of their public pension.

Unless the current government is as crooked as these four senators, then the bill will pass and he won't get a dime...win-win. no salary and no pension.

But would it apply retroactively?

I certainly would hope so!

[bootlegga]

jj2424 jj2424:

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

Give it up you liberal hack.

Pot, meet kettle!

You claim to be non-partisan. I don't.

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

[martin14]

Unsound Unsound:

Most of your post is good, but this made me laugh a bit. My relatives in Denmark pretty much all still hate the germans. Granted, some of it cause they're the americans of europe. Loud, arrogant, etc. But it takes very little scratching to get to the bitterness and anger from the occupation.

It's a while since I've been there, so it's possible that the younger generations aren't as bad, but everyone my age has a grandparent or a parent or some other relative who suffered or died.

I'll confirm.
Bar chat in Brussels pointed out the younger generation has pretty much forgiven,

"Yes the German tourists still act like assholes when they come here, but you should
see what we do when we go to Germany."

[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

You claim to be non-partisan. I don't.

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

And yet your posting history would suggest the complete opposite.

I have been a member here for several years, and I have never seen you post any story
that wasn't anti Harper. There is no balance at all.
TBF, you aren't as bad as Curtman, but the idea you are a centrist is just laughable.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

I've never claimed as such....you're far more partisan. I stand behind the party I support, I wear the logo under my username but I don't blindly support everything CPC and defend the indefensible.

As noted above, your posts offer no balance. You can beg to differ all you want but your history speaks for itself. They are always one-sided, pro-Liberal & anti-Harper.

[jj2424]

Well , well, well, looks like I hit a nerve. There seems to be some agreement with my post.

[Unsound]

martin14 martin14:

Unsound Unsound:

Most of your post is good, but this made me laugh a bit. My relatives in Denmark pretty much all still hate the germans. Granted, some of it cause they're the americans of europe. Loud, arrogant, etc. But it takes very little scratching to get to the bitterness and anger from the occupation.

It's a while since I've been there, so it's possible that the younger generations aren't as bad, but everyone my age has a grandparent or a parent or some other relative who suffered or died.

I'll confirm.
Bar chat in Brussels pointed out the younger generation has pretty much forgiven,

"Yes the German tourists still act like assholes when they come here, but you should
see what we do when we go to Germany."

Good to know. Today's German's certainly don't deserve to be hated. Not for WW2 anyways.

We're definitely not giving up the making fun of them though, no matter how long it's been.

[Unsound]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Fair enough - I'm sure if you dig deep enough in Europe, you'd still find a large number of old salts who still hate the Germans for what they did in WW2.

But when you compare Germany's relations with Israel (whose people it tried to exterminate) and the relations between China and Japan's, the level of overall animosity is vastly different. That is no doubt due in large part to the effort Germany (then West Germany) made to try and atone/apologize for the atrocities its soldiers and citizens committed. Japan on the other hand, swept it under the rug and just hoped it would go away.

Very true, and to be fair most of the hatred that i've seen is of the the casual "fucking german's are assholes, except for the ones i know and like" variety.

[Zipperfish]

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

Agreed. There's degree of partisanship.

As for jj, he's so partisan that everyone knows exactly what he's going to say on any given subject before he even posts it.

[Zipperfish]

Unsound Unsound:

martin14 martin14:

Unsound Unsound:

Most of your post is good, but this made me laugh a bit. My relatives in Denmark pretty much all still hate the germans. Granted, some of it cause they're the americans of europe. Loud, arrogant, etc. But it takes very little scratching to get to the bitterness and anger from the occupation.

It's a while since I've been there, so it's possible that the younger generations aren't as bad, but everyone my age has a grandparent or a parent or some other relative who suffered or died.

I'll confirm.
Bar chat in Brussels pointed out the younger generation has pretty much forgiven,

"Yes the German tourists still act like assholes when they come here, but you should
see what we do when we go to Germany."

Good to know. Today's German's certainly don't deserve to be hated. Not for WW2 anyways.

We're definitely not giving up the making fun of them though, no matter how long it's been.

No, making fun of the Germans was a favorite pastime in Kabul when I was there. Like when buddy comes up to the Cdn Sargent-Major on Remembrance Day and sez "Vhat is ze significance of zis flower that you Canadians vear?" The SM looks at him and sez "Listen buddy, you don't get these for coming in second."

Anyways, the Germans could take it. First off they have no sense of humour anyways, but secondly, they were big and mean and capable and they knew it. They were pretty constrined by their RoE, but if they hadn't have been, I think they would have kicked some serious ass.

[jj2424]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

bootlegga bootlegga:

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

Agreed. There's degree of partisanship.

As for jj, he's so partisan that everyone knows exactly what he's going to say on any given subject before he even posts it.

Not too difficult to figure out what your posts are going to say before reading it.

Same goes for most of the "non-partisan" CKA members.

There should be a "non-partisan" logo on your profile as a reminder .

[bootlegga]

martin14 martin14:

bootlegga bootlegga:

jj2424 jj2424:

You claim to be non-partisan. I don't.

No, you and OTI claim I'm just as partisan as you two. I beg to differ.

I don't particularly care for any of the parties at the federal level right now. I've voted PC, Liberal and independent over the course of my adult life. I don't blindly subscribe to one party like you obviously do. I look at platforms and decide who I'm going to vote for based on that, not the colour of the pamphlet handed to me at a rally.

And yet your posting history would suggest the complete opposite.

I have been a member here for several years, and I have never seen you post any story
that wasn't anti Harper. There is no balance at all.
TBF, you aren't as bad as Curtman, but the idea you are a centrist is just laughable.

Well, then you don't read me often enough.

There were a number of things the current government has done that I've been rather vocal in supporting. I liked that they got rid of the income trust loophole that major corporations were starting to use to avoid paying corporate taxes. I also was a staunch supporter of the G8 conference held in Toronto, when most left leaning members here were very vocal about what a huge waste of money it was.

My biggest complaint is that sometimes Harper doesn't go far enough. He should have spent some of the stimulus on made-in-Canada defence equipment (new Buffaloes from Viking Air, new destroyers, new LAVs, etc) instead of just roads and buildings IMHO. He also should have cut personal income taxes and not corporate taxes, which are already amongst the lowest in the G8.

I'm slightly to the left of centre, but I'm hardly a dyed-in-the-wool Liberal as OTI and JJ make me out to be.