[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

You're losing your rightwing cred here, Bart.

Hardly. This thing is a CDN$3bn tax cut. That's 3bn going back into the BC economy and that's never a bad thing.

Not sure how you come up with that. 1.6 billion of that is going back to the Federal Government.

They can take it out of that Scumbag David Hahn's bonus money.

If they don't have the 1.6 Billion because they spent it they can:

a. Stop the building of the pattullo bridge;
b. make the sea to sky highway a toll road;
c. sell the roof to BC place stadium (which was apparently good for BC);
d. cancel the Site C damn, and make the Oil Sands pay the going rate for their own damn power;
e. make the toll on the Golden Ears bridge affordable so people actually use it;
f. make Basi and Virk pay the province back for their defense costs;
g. stop paying outrageous settlement claims to a certain minority of British Columbians
h. cancel the New Port of Prince Rupert plan, since that building that won't revitalize that poor town;
i.cut the pensions to all the fekin MP's and their aides who are living the good life after a couple of years of less than exemplary service to the province.

That should cover the HST bills and then they can start over again by being a little more realistic and not counting on money from heaven to pay for their largess.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Hardly. This thing is a CDN$3bn tax cut. That's 3bn going back into the BC economy and that's never a bad thing.

Not sure how you come up with that. 1.6 billion of that is going back to the Federal Government.

They can take it out of that Scumbag David Hahn's bonus money.

If they don't have the 1.6 Billion because they spent it they can:

a. Stop the building of the pattullo bridge;
b. make the sea to sky highway a toll road;
c. sell the roof to BC place stadium (which was apparently good for BC);
d. cancel the Site C damn, and make the Oil Sands pay the going rate for their own damn power;
e. make the toll on the Golden Ears bridge affordable so people actually use it;
f. make Basi and Virk pay the province back for their defense costs;
g. stop paying outrageous settlement claims to a certain minority of British Columbians
h. cancel the New Port of Prince Rupert plan, since that building that won't revitalize that poor town;
i.cut the pensions to all the fekin MP's and their aides who are living the good life after a couple of years of less than exemplary service to the province.

That should cover the HST bills and then they can start over again by being a little more realistic and not counting on money from heaven to pay for their largess.

Okay, but that's not my point. Bart has erroneously suggested this is three billion going into the BC economy which it is not. BC will have to pay back to Ottawa 1.6 billion thereby wracking up our deficit.

All thanks to the mob.

[BartSimpson]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Bart has erroneously suggested this is three billion going into the BC economy which it is not. BC will have to pay back to Ottawa 1.6 billion thereby wracking up our deficit.

My mistake. It's 1.4bn going back to the economy.

Gunnair Gunnair:

All thanks to the mob.

Maybe next time the provincial government will put their tax ideas to a vote before arrogantly imposing them and you won't need to worry about the tax being revoked.

Whatever the impacts on the provincial government it will be worth it because Victoria just found out who they really work for.

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Bart has erroneously suggested this is three billion going into the BC economy which it is not. BC will have to pay back to Ottawa 1.6 billion thereby wracking up our deficit.

My mistake. It's 1.4bn going back to the economy.

Gunnair Gunnair:

All thanks to the mob.

Maybe next time the provincial government will put their tax ideas to a vote before arrogantly imposing them and you won't need to worry about the tax being revoked.

Whatever the impacts on the provincial government it will be worth it because Victoria just found out who they really work for.

I agree that the tax was brought in with the greatest of arrogance - good bye Gordo. Irrespective of that, it has a lot of support from business and if the population is pissy about it, then there are elections and recalls available as tools for mob justice. This is a very expensive mistake that has been made.

[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Bart has erroneously suggested this is three billion going into the BC economy which it is not. BC will have to pay back to Ottawa 1.6 billion thereby wracking up our deficit.

My mistake. It's 1.4bn going back to the economy.

Gunnair Gunnair:

All thanks to the mob.

Maybe next time the provincial government will put their tax ideas to a vote before arrogantly imposing them and you won't need to worry about the tax being revoked.

Whatever the impacts on the provincial government it will be worth it because Victoria just found out who they really work for.

I agree that the tax was brought in with the greatest of arrogance - good bye Gordo. Irrespective of that, it has a lot of support from business and if the population is pissy about it, then there are elections and recalls available as tools for mob justice. This is a very expensive mistake that has been made.

To call it a mistake is a misnomer. It was a blatently calculated tax grab aimed directly at the people of BC by the most detested Premier in our history. Yes.... even more than Billy Woodenshoes.

I guess they figured we'd just roll over and take it. Well suprise suprise, we didn't and it cost Gordo his job and is giving his successor nightmares, which, in the grand scheme of things is pretty much karma for treating the electorate like peasants.

Sooooo, if Cluck raises taxes to pay for this debacle, she's gonna drive the final nail in the Liberal Party coffin, and as far as raising the money to pay back the Federal Government, maybe she should take a second job like the rest of us would have to, who have mismanaged our finances to this great a degree.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I agree that the tax was brought in with the greatest of arrogance - good bye Gordo. Irrespective of that, it has a lot of support from business and if the population is pissy about it, then there are elections and recalls available as tools for mob justice. This is a very expensive mistake that has been made.

To call it a mistake is a misnomer. It was a blatently calculated tax grab aimed directly at the people of BC by the most detested Premier in our history. Yes.... even more than Billy Woodenshoes.

I guess they figured we'd just roll over and take it. Well suprise suprise, we didn't and it cost Gordo his job and is giving his successor nightmares, which, in the grand scheme of things is pretty much karma for treating the electorate like peasants.

Sooooo, if Cluck raises taxes to pay for this debacle, she's gonna drive the final nail in the Liberal Party coffin, and as far as raising the money to pay back the Federal Government, maybe she should take a second job like the rest of us would have to, who have mismanaged our finances to this great a degree.

Yea, because the NDP taking power from a defeated Libheral Party is the ultimate happy ending here.

[sandorski]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

andyt andyt:

You're losing your rightwing cred here, Bart.

Hardly. This thing is a CDN$3bn tax cut. That's 3bn going back into the BC Deficit

fixed

[Scape]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I agree that the tax was brought in with the greatest of arrogance - good bye Gordo. Irrespective of that, it has a lot of support from business and if the population is pissy about it, then there are elections and recalls available as tools for mob justice. This is a very expensive mistake that has been made.

My sediment exactly.

[OnTheIce]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Maybe next time the provincial government will put their tax ideas to a vote before arrogantly imposing them and you won't need to worry about the tax being revoked.

Whatever the impacts on the provincial government it will be worth it because Victoria just found out who they really work for.

Dumb idea.

Who's actually going to vote FOR taxes?

Despite them being douche bags most of the time, politicians and government staff sometimes know what's needed to keep our Cities and Provinces going financially,....and if we had our way, we'd be paying hardly any tax while expecting the same amount of service.

Anyway you look at it, you've got 1.4b going back to BC yet owing 1.6b to the Feds so you're down 200 mil right off the bat on top of the lost tax revenue that WILL be made up with increases in provincial taxes.

In other words, you're going to pay for it one way or another, just this way, you won't know when or how you're gonna get screwed.

[Gunnair]

Add to that, the promised 10% HST will not be replaced with a 5% GST/5% PST with the new defecit.

Yeah... a real great idea. Swapped a paid for 10% HST for a defecit and 12% PST/GST.

[Freakinoldguy]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I agree that the tax was brought in with the greatest of arrogance - good bye Gordo. Irrespective of that, it has a lot of support from business and if the population is pissy about it, then there are elections and recalls available as tools for mob justice. This is a very expensive mistake that has been made.

To call it a mistake is a misnomer. It was a blatently calculated tax grab aimed directly at the people of BC by the most detested Premier in our history. Yes.... even more than Billy Woodenshoes.

I guess they figured we'd just roll over and take it. Well suprise suprise, we didn't and it cost Gordo his job and is giving his successor nightmares, which, in the grand scheme of things is pretty much karma for treating the electorate like peasants.

Sooooo, if Cluck raises taxes to pay for this debacle, she's gonna drive the final nail in the Liberal Party coffin, and as far as raising the money to pay back the Federal Government, maybe she should take a second job like the rest of us would have to, who have mismanaged our finances to this great a degree.

Yea, because the NDP taking power from a defeated Libheral Party is the ultimate happy ending here.

Nope, just a stepping stone for the BC Conservatives.

But trust me she isn't gonna call an election anytime soon. Her cabinet is abandoning ship faster than the rats off the Titanic and the biggest clue is her "we're gonna get back to governing and job creation" rhetoric which in peasant speak means, we're not gonna call an election because we will likely be defeated.

So the only happy ending now would be if someone visited one of those Thai massage parlours.

[Gunnair]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

To call it a mistake is a misnomer. It was a blatently calculated tax grab aimed directly at the people of BC by the most detested Premier in our history. Yes.... even more than Billy Woodenshoes.

I guess they figured we'd just roll over and take it. Well suprise suprise, we didn't and it cost Gordo his job and is giving his successor nightmares, which, in the grand scheme of things is pretty much karma for treating the electorate like peasants.

Sooooo, if Cluck raises taxes to pay for this debacle, she's gonna drive the final nail in the Liberal Party coffin, and as far as raising the money to pay back the Federal Government, maybe she should take a second job like the rest of us would have to, who have mismanaged our finances to this great a degree.

Yea, because the NDP taking power from a defeated Libheral Party is the ultimate happy ending here.

Nope, just a stepping stone for the BC Conservatives.

But trust me she isn't gonna call an election anytime soon. Her cabinet is abandoning ship faster than the rats off the Titanic and the biggest clue is her "we're gonna get back to governing and job creation" rhetoric which in peasant speak means, we're not gonna call an election because we will likely be defeated.

So the only happy ending now would be if someone visited one of those Thai massage parlours.

As much as I'd like to believe that's true the BC Conservatives have been a voice set on mute for the past several months.

Disappointing, really.

[Canadian_Mind]

I agree that bart is backwards here. A 10% tax where the feds give the province 1.6 billion dollars, plus the reduced administration of taxes (do I hear smaller government?); vs 12% combined tax, no federal bonus (must be returned) and a redundant tax system?

As for the other 1.4 billion, that isn't all money going back into taxpayers pockets. About half of it will be going towards beaurocratic expenses.

3 billion dollars towards construction projects which employ skilled tradesmen, or 700 million into the pockets of people who may or may not spend the money, all at the higher of the two tax rates.

Hmm...

[herbie]

How many dollars hiring back staff to administer the PST?
THe smart move would be to come out and say they will respect the referendum and return to the PST/GST as soon as the HST agreement expires, so they don't have to pay back the $1.6 billion.
In two years 45% of people accepted the HST. 45% of the half that bothered to vote. I might have said that if I was premier. Half the people didn't bother to vote so we'll count them as NO (keep the HST) votes. It obviously didn't mean that much to them.

[andyt]

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Brenda Brenda:

Hydro. And gas, too, btw.

Fortis is not "supposed" to raise anything to cover their bad management, but they still did. Governments are known to not being able to budget very well.

Fortis is a private company. How will they raise taxes?

Did I say they raised TAXES?? You just do not want to get it, do you.

Other than that the government has to gain more income to cough up the dough for this (and don't forget that the only income a government has, is taxes), business need to switch back too. That means they will raise their prices (again) to cover their costs.

Yep:

Brenda Brenda:

andyt andyt:

Scape Scape:

Tax hikes here we come!

I recall the HST as being sold as revenue neutral. Why do we need tax hikes to replace one tax system with another?

To cover the cost of the work involved. You know, to pay the people that are going to work on this for the next 18-24 months...