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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:18 pm
 


Unsound Unsound:
martin14 martin14:
Unsound Unsound:
All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.



With the speed of Canadian courts, there will be lots of time. :lol:




Sadly, that's probably true but it's no excuse for ordinary people to take matters into their own hands.



As far as I know, no one has DONE anything yet to any person who has turned themselves in.
Nathan Kotylak's family could have been close, but nothing.

Maybe another thing for little Nathan to take into account for the future.


Lots of name calling on the internet/social media.
If they had a job, it's gone... but imo they deserve that.
In 6 months, this will all be forgotten, but it will be a long 6 months for the asswipes.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:19 pm
 


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It's been pretty typical to watch Andy blame everyone except where it really belongs.


Hope you don't mind me correcting your grammar. [B-o]



Not at all ! [B-o]


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:27 pm
 


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I really don't see what the problem is with what he's saying. He's not saying we need to wait for proof or a trial to stop people from commiting criminal acts, nor that we shouldn't, as citizens, do our part to identify or provide evidence of suspects in criminal cases. All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:31 pm
 


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Perhaps he just wants his mail!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:41 pm
 


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I think there was a wasp on the window. He was just trying to kill a pesky insect.

We shouldn't rush to judge I'm sure there's a prefectly good reason that this poor person is kicking the fuck out of that window. Those calling for him being brought to justice are nasty vigilantes. The guy should sue the fuckers!

And why aren't the police stopping him? And where's the mayor? They are the true culprits trolling trolling trolling.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:41 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
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But our CKA posse would have this guy drawn and quartered by now.



Truly, you have no idea how out of touch you really are.


:?

I've been mostly just reading this stuff, but no where did I hear anything about people wanting them drawn and quartered. So far, the general response is people arguing various degrees of wanting to hold them accountable, mostly through such things as emailing employers.

Making obvious overstatements and shoving insulting and over-the-top positions into another person's mouth is one of the problems which I have brought up to you before, andyt, on several occassions. Trying to equate yourself to people like Unsound (via the "troll" comment) would require you to actually post like Unsound -- calmly, courteously, with respect for the position of others and with cogent thoughts. He has acted this way not only in this topic, but in all related topics and in all his involved threads overall. Even though Unsound has posted contrary to popular opinion he is not being leaped on like you are, and you should have taken notice as to why by now. Unsound is largely respected on CKA. If you truly want to be like him, then follow his example.

Others have not been entirely respectful to you, but it is often in reaction to your typical thread response -- assume the moral high ground and speak down to those around you using blanket terms like "right-wing" to describe a singular person's position. Strategic misinterpretation of positions and posts helps no one.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:51 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
what an utter crock by a completely out of touch gobshite.

Daniel Henry should be the poster boy of why the courts don't work;
the best he can do is: oh, we can't call them criminals just yet :roll:


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Mr. Henry is a Class One liberal asshat.

$1:
Offering legal consideration, however, is what marks us as a civilized society. Even where the evidence is overwhelming, we don't rush to judgment. We take our time.


What a fracking crock of crap!

What utter nonsense!

Let me ask, Mr. Henry, do you expect the police to show up when some nutbar is shooting up a school and to then take their time to examine the evidence before they rush to judgment and shoot the psychpath in order save kids?

Hmmm?

Because the same chain of logic the police follow in rapidly identifying a criminal is what the public is using here and, if you haven't noticed Mr. Henry, it seems that the public is sick to fracking DEATH of idiots with your pathetic and limp di*ked point of view.

What's "civilized" is not allowing criminals to get away with their crimes because some whiny little puke like yourself is all too eager to parse the 'root causes' of their acts and allow them to get away with it.

No sir, not this time! This time around the people of Canada are fed up with waiting around for your idea of 'justice'.

You know, the idea of justice that includes cutting Karla Homolka loose while all of her victims are dead.

Were I you Mr. Henry, I'd shut my pie hole because I'd give consideration to the fact that the bloggers and the emailers have discovered that they've got the power to ruin the lives of those who threaten society.

And that means YOU.

I can't wait to see the tidal wave of letters to your paper demanding that you find a new job. :evil:


ETC. Nice calm reactions to an eminently reasonable article.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:56 pm
 


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I think there was a wasp on the window. He was just trying to kill a pesky insect.

We shouldn't rush to judge I'm sure there's a prefectly good reason that this poor person is kicking the fuck out of that window. Those calling for him being brought to justice are nasty vigilantes. The guy should sue the fuckers!

And why aren't the police stopping him? And where's the mayor? They are the true culprits trolling trolling trolling.
Durn you Brock, I was just funnin!


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 12:57 pm
 


@andyt:

Dodging the problem won't solve it, especially if you choose only to respond to one sentence in a dozen.

There is a significant difference between arguing with other people face to face and acting this way, all while calling it a debate, discussion or argument, and writing a post to a faceless person who will not be responding. One recognizes the requirement of courtesy to the other person in the thread, which you have consistently failed to provide. One recognizes the requirement that this is a discussion, and not a pulpit from which to preach your opinion. One recognizes that a discussion between two people is not a discussion on their opinion alone, unlike the examples above.

The other one does not recognize this. If it was directed at me, both martin and Bart would have written something far more different.

The responses themselves were ardent, but they were not ardent at you. They were ardent at a position they did not agree with. This is their interpretation of the issue. Choose not to agree with it if you wish, but be respectful in your disagreement. If you feel they have made an error, correct them. If you feel they are being overzealous, state such. Do not begin your response with a generalization about an entire group of people based on the response of one person.

It is entirely possible for two people to have ardent positions and be calm in referring to each other. Both Martin and Bart have disagreed with me, and ardently in the past, with posts similar to that one. Both were calm in dealing with me.

You can be angry with the preachers from the Westboro Baptist Church, but you should share your anger calmly if you expect a respectful response. Simple as.

EDIT: Hmmm, it appears you have since edited down your response to it's current state, and I think that's a good first step.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:01 pm
 


fifeboy fifeboy:
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He actually fell out of the 23rd floor window.
The photo was taken just before he hit the ground.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:02 pm
 


Khar Khar:
Do not begin your response with a generalization about an entire group of people based on the response of one person.

EDIT: Hmmm, it appears you have since edited down your response to it's current state.


You mean like this?
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Mr. Henry is a Class One liberal asshat.


Care to show me what I've edited?


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Originally, you posted something about putting words into people's mouths at the end of those two quotes. You edited this down to being about a "calm response from an eminently resonable source," which is toning it down. That is a good thing, since it is more calm.

We can call the preachers from Westboro Baptist Church bigoted asses. When talking about them to each other, we can call them bigoted asses. But we shouldn't call each other bigoted asses and expect a reasonable response. I don't approve of Bart calling that lawyer Liberal, but I would not mind if he called them an asshat. There is a significant difference here overall though, and it was the main point of my second response.

Bart does not have the prospensity to do this to other members of this site as often as you. The difference in examples in this thread show that Bart was referring a non-CKA individual -- you were referring to him, and expecting a courteous response. Unsound, for example, if he disapproved, would have found a way to display his disapproval without attacking Bart.

One will cause an negative response, hence why people call troll. The other one will not unless it is done in a way to cause a negative response on purpose. Otherwise, you should challenge positions respectfully. The negative reactions you've gotten is because of a history of not doing so.

Zipperfish got away with quite a few disparaging remarks on Harper. He would not have gotten away with a lot of disparaging remarks on EyeBrock.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:16 pm
 


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ETC. Nice calm reactions to an eminently reasonable article.


"Doing nothing" is not reasonable. Oh, and I will rub it in your face for the fact that the only thing you can find to justify your absurd claims of any over reactions in all of this is on the part of the same police department you want everyone else to trust.

By the way, for all of your jingoistic propaganda about vigilante justice and hangings and drawing and quartering people you've managed to ignore the fact that all the public has done here is to get a few people fired from their jobs and they've shamed a few others into turning themselves in.

How is it then 'vigilante justice' to shame people into turning themselves in to the police?

If you don't want to answer that question I'm cool with that. I'd really prefer you cut your losses here and stop posting before you do yourself any more harm.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:52 pm
 


martin14 martin14:
Unsound Unsound:
All he's saying is that once suspects have been identified and apprehended(or turned themselves in) it's time for us as ctizens to back off and let the system to what it's supposed to do. Anything more is vigilanteism.



With the speed of Canadian courts, there will be lots of time. :lol:



The one who really needs to watch out is Alex Prochadzka.
People are going after his sponsors, and his participation in an event in July.


That's my issue. Never mind the riots, the courts here in BC are shutting down just from the regular case load, because there are not enough sheriffs. So what happens is the prosecutors will go after only he worst offenders to save the courts' time, and they will take years to wend their way through the system, only to get a slap on the wrist in the final analysis.

The public humiliation is instant though, and not only that, it suits the crime since the rioters publicly humiliated us.

I disagree that public shaming is a vigilante act. Nothing illegal about posting pics and venting about the activities of those invovles in the pictures, or writing letters to employers and assocaites, if you are not uttering threats. Apparently some people have uittered threats. Those people should be hunted down, like the rioters.

Alex Pro is toast. His sponsors are dropping like flies.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:54 pm
 


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You know, I've seen signposts and barricades and axes and hammers. But a pillow, dude?


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