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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:19 pm
 


Well I guess I can consider myself told. :roll:

Of course I would normally consider the sources, but not here. It's profoundly insightful seeing how much Jerry Springer has provided a basis for any serious debate with such a poorly informed, intentionally ignorant group of people.


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Well I guess I can consider myself told. :roll:

Of course I would normally consider the sources, but not here. It's profoundly insightful seeing how much Jerry Springer has provided a basis for any serious debate with such a poorly informed, intentionally ignorant group of people.


Nice deflection but I DESPISE Jerry Springer. But thanks for playing, here's our home version of the game as a consolation prize.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:25 pm
 


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Well I guess I can consider myself told.

Of course I would normally consider the sources, but not here. It's profoundly insightful seeing how much Jerry Springer has provided a basis for any serious debate with such a poorly informed, intentionally ignorant group of people.


STFU poquas. You're such a transparent liar and troll.

You've done nothing but dodge, ignore reasonable points and blather on and on with off topic crap. You still cannot and will not answer:
Why if Afghans don't want us there, if we're just pushing our morals on them, why they risk their lives to vote (voting irregularities do not address this)?

Why they are willing to risk their lives to send their kids to school if they don't want our schools?

Your only answer to this is that "you know a major over there and he says..." what? Poquas? He says what? He says it's pointless? He says it's just like Vietnam? Yeah right.

You're an uniformed ignorant troll who has a name-calling insult-laden tantrum every time he's presented with a reasonable polite question he can't answer.

You said yourself that no one who isn't in Afghanistan has the right to an opinion, which is basically the same thing as saying "you wouldn't understand" which of course you rightly pointed out is usually defensive bullshit.

YOU can't answer the questions...YOU can't back up your claims...so quit lying and saying it's US who can't and quit calling us ignorant when it's obviously you who hasn't the foggiest notion about the mission in Afghanistan, Afghanistan itself or what soldiers really think of it.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:29 pm
 


poquas poquas:
Maybe the more important question is off all the cheerleaders here, how many are actually doing anything to support their views or like ridenrain is all talk?

How many of you are of the age to enlist and serve in Afghanistan, and why you aren’t there.

I’ve worked as a civilian consultant over the years for our military and have family involved right now on the ground. At 60, I’m exempt so at least I have an excuse. How many of you do, or is this just a good place for all you virtual Rambos to try and sound tough?



Blame it on yourself. It was right here you set yourself up as the authority despite the obvious warnings and details from others.

.. time to go feed your horses.. :D


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:46 pm
 


poquas poquas:
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So, I must have struck a nerve eh? You don't like the facts being pointed out to you and you actually thought that a week or two in the Reserves and a ride-along with the cops makes you a soldier and a cop. Very sad.....

But hey, you've made an impact with all the soldiers and cops on the forum eh? I'm sure you were as successful at work too. I bet you were their fave doc…..


A nerve? Now what are you talking about? My opinion regarding the topic at hand does not denigrate any soldier anywhere. My opinion has been explained. Where this has turned personal is far more interesting.

If indeed you are a cop, I would force you to be on AL and undergoing assessment and here’s why. There’s a phrase that trained professionals look for.

First there’s “You wouldn’t understand”. That’s a typical response that someone under some form of stress is holding back on and really wants to talk about. Usually a little persuasion opens the door and a dialogue ensues.

Then we have “You can’t understand”. This was in essence what you said. “I’m not one of you”. A much more significant statement in my field. Especially found among those in marginally stressful positions with limited authority. It indicates a problem that they’ rather not talk about and at the same time is an effort to falsely elevate themselves to believe that they are special or “above the average person”. In military cases it’s usually a sign of PTSD after experiencing something particularly traumatic. While is can result in police or first responder duty, it’s really actually pretty rare. In the case of police, it’s a protection mechanism to avoid dealing with an underlying issue. “We as police have to do the things you don’t so we’re better or special.” Unfortunately that’s more difficult to deal with and it makes the affected individual person a risk factor to themselves, the people they work with, and the people they have to interact with.

There is of course a third possibility. This forum being a totally anonymous medium, an individual that is a rent-a-cop and pretends to be a cop is going to respond much like you did. Defensive and immediately attempting to elevate oneself to the stature that eliminates the requirement to explain. “You can’t understand because you’re not one of us” in order to cover their insecurity and to continue the charade that they really are more important than they are.

If you really are a cop, you need to talk to someone.

If you’re not a cop, you probably still need help, but there are at least six others on this forum that are obvious miscreants. They have created a virtual life that provides certain freedoms that don’t exist in real life. They’re easy to identify even by the untrained.

Either way I really don’t much care.

Doing what I do/did for a living has exposed me to some extraordinary situations, and those that do what I do for a living don’t have to experience any particular incident to “understand”. In most cases we do but more importantly we really only have to get you to understand in order to deal with whatever the particular problem is.

Oh, and while I’m answering this, the other comment about compensation is still wrong. I worked under contract for both the Canadian and US governments and probably evaluated slightly more than a thousand individuals. Some were very seriously affected and most weren’t. Other than recommendations for preliminary follow-up and evaluations for research purposes, I had nothing to do with compensation.



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:47 pm
 


....speaking of those miscreants :roll:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:52 pm
 


Yea, it's Springer time again!

Here we have Mr Phd and he will show us plebs how he can label us all and that he really does feel our pain, even though he's never experienced it. But he has read about it in a book...cue the fat people to run on the stage and fight...

He’ll stay here all night just to prove to himself that he really is the intellectual giant here….we are indeed honoured,

Let’s welcome, Mr Reservist, Mr Peace Officer and Mr “You guys all have issues”…..


Its POQUAS!

Yea!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:57 pm
 


Ok, I’m going to go back to my first suspicion.

You’re so insecure that you think less of you than I do.

Your turn…..

No wait. You can win this. The topic is toast and you need all the self esteem you can get.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:11 pm
 


poquas poquas:
....speaking of those miscreants

Yep. Can't answer. Insults only.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:11 pm
 


Pole, pole, go poqas!


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:28 pm
 


I don't know much about PTSD, but one of my best friends did a tour in Bosnia. He was a trucker, drove aircraft-fuel tankers about for the RCAF. I guess they got in a situation for a few hours and had to wait for the cavalry.

The guy that came back from Bosnia isn't the same guy. I knew this guy for 20 years before he went overseas and whatever happened that day changed him in a fundamental way; not in 'better-than-before' way either.

Anyway, I don't know a fucking thing about PTSD but I know what it did to the guy who was best man at my wedding. Any one who wants to tell me that "There's no such thing" can step right over here and I'll give you a tight-eye. [boxing]


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:36 pm
 


:roll: No one is saying OSI (operational stress injuries) dont exist. Little p here is saying he knows exactly what your best man went through.


Note: I say OSI because I have been told by real professionals that PTSD is really just a symptom. OSI covers everything that is associated with the problems someone can experience with traumatic events like living through a war ( agoraphobia, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, mood swings, insomnia, ect).


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Does OSI cover slashing, suicidal tendancies, totally divorcing himself from nearly everyone but his own family and inexplicable phobias of things like cats and buses and soda crackers? Does it cover a note-book full of compulsive behaviours that never existed before? And I'm not being a smart ass. I'm asking.

I'm not sure why I got the eye-roll. I was just relating my experience (well, my buddy's), not commenting, per se, on anything anyone else has said.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 7:05 pm
 


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Does OSI cover slashing, suicidal tendancies, totally divorcing himself from nearly everyone but his own family and inexplicable phobias of things like cats and and buses and soda crackers? Does it cover a note-book full of compulsive behaviours that never existed before? And I'm not being a smart ass. I'm asking.

I'm not sure why I got the eye-roll. I was just relating my experience (well, my buddy's), not commenting, per se, on anything anyone else has said.

Yes, the rest are considered symptoms of the overall problem being the OSI. I was told that they want people to think of all the other disordes someone has when coming back from tour. Its more than just PTSD, like you said there are many many problems that come about from a serious OSI.


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