[Wada]

They are only parallels because they are part of the same circle. Those few elite who percieve with a "world view" keep assumming that they can use and abuse those subhumans they are surrounded by and if were not for the common man fighting for the few rights he now has he would still be living in the Dark Ages. As it is the common man still has a long way to go.

[EyeBrock]

Well Wada, those people treating others as 'subhumans' are flocking to Canada and the UK, and we are turning a blind eye to their 'subhuman' behaviour. Bravo to us.

[Dayseed]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well Wada, those people treating others as 'subhumans' are flocking to Canada and the UK, and we are turning a blind eye to their 'subhuman' behaviour. Bravo to us.

I agree. While Canada already has murder and a host of other homicide charges on the books, we need to step up the public campaign that "mercy" killings and other such abhorrent behaviours are not only ugly here, but will land you in jail until you die.

It is simply unacceptable that anybody, regardless of culture, thinks women are property. If "owning" your daughter and controlling her vagina were that damn important to you, you shouldn't have come the fuck over here.

If Canada is falling prey to having such sick indoctrination here in private schools, we force the school closed. Yes, I know there's going to be an inevitable slippery slope argument regarding censoring curriculum, but sometimes you've got to risk it.

[Wada]

EB I'm sure your right.

[andyt]

I don't see how anybody can argue for these schools. That's child abuse, something we should be intolerant of in this country (and Britain) no matter what the religion. We just use tolerance as an excuse to ignore people who do this. It's the same with Bountiful: those kids aren't being taught the curriculum, likely all sorts of bullshit. And a group that thinks it's a good idea to waterboard babies to teach them discipline, you know they're also not going to treat older kids very well. But we don't know, because we just give them money to go do their thing, and pretend they're not part of our society. We do it with Natives abusing their kids, give them their own social services department, which does a worse job than our already deficient "white man's" children's services. We're not really tolerant in Canada, in the sense we know what these subgroups are up to and make allowances for them, we're more ignorance is bliss. And we'll shut anybody up who speaks out by calling them racist, or if we're Sandorski we say xenophobia. How dare we use our critical thinking faculties to say what's not right, us racist bastards.

And Sandorski - because we did it in the Residential School system, we should now turn a blind eye if it happens under our watch again. So we can apologize and pay reparations later, because it happened under our watch, and ultimately it's all the white man's fault, all those lesser races can't help themselves?

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

And Sandorski - because we did it in the Residential School system, we should now turn a blind eye if it happens under our watch again. So we can apologize and pay reparations later, because it happened under our watch, and ultimately it's all the white man's fault, all those lesser races can't help themselves?

Sounds like if we don't allow them to continue with their barbarism, then according to Sandorkski, we're xenophobes

[Unsound]

I think maybe Sand just has a different definition of xenophobia. To me xenophobia is a fear and hatred of other cultures based mostly on willing ignorance of anything about those cultures. What we have with most of us onthe forums is intelligent, articulate, informed people explaining their objections to certain practices within another culture. That's NOT xenophobia.

Just because we think it might be a good idea to ensure that those who are moving here are willing to conform with the ideals that make this country what it is, does not make us fearful or hateful. It makes us smart. We have a good thing here and we have an obligation to protect it.

[Lemmy]

Unsound Unsound:

I think maybe Sand just has a different definition of xenophobia. To me xenophobia is a fear and hatred of other cultures based mostly on willing ignorance of anything about those cultures. What we have with most of us onthe forums is intelligent, articulate, informed people explaining their objections to certain practices within another culture. That's NOT xenophobia.

Just because we think it might be a good idea to ensure that those who are moving here are willing to conform with the ideals that make this country what it is, does not make us fearful or hateful. It makes us smart. We have a good thing here and we have an obligation to protect it.

[Khar]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The difference is that none of us here on the forum were around when residential schools were. We are all here for the new madrassas though, but I’m sure you think that they will be a fine addition to Canada.

There's a few members on this board which were alive when the decision was made in 1969 to close them, and I'd bet the majority of the board was alive when the last one closed in 1996. However, this is unfair for me to state that -- the final residential school was very different from the one constructed in the 19th century, and the one with a massive mortality rate in the early 20th century.

From a peak of 76 schools in 1920, most shut down before the mid-seventies, with only 7 remaining into the 80s. By 1940, protests and public demands for change had already brought about many changed in these schools. It's worth keeping in mind that with the 1969 decision to abolish these schools, the federal government also took over the running of these schools alone, in contrast to the previous shared control with various religious organizations.

Hence, the residential schools were still around -- just in a very different capacity and with a different function than when they were administered decades previously, and that's the important distinction. Just felt like I needed to head off any comments about them existing into the nineties.

Also, absolutely fantastic post, Unsound. There is indeed a very big difference between defending things like woman's suffrage or a child's right to freedom from harm and xenophobia. Likewise, great post from andyt as well -- carte blanche-esque ideologues should not be promoted in such a way.

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

I think maybe Sand just has a different definition of xenophobia

much like a schizophrenic has a different definition of reality.

[Lemmy]

Khar Khar:

There's a few members on this board which were alive when the decision was made in 1969 to close them, and I'd bet the majority of the board was alive when the last one closed in 1996. However, this is unfair for me to state that -- the final residential school was very different from the one constructed in the 19th century, and the one with a massive mortality rate in the early 20th century.

There was, what we called "the Bad Girls' School" in Lindsay, ON when I was a kid. "Smarten up or you'll be off to the Bad Girls' School" was a threat my dad made daily to my sister. There'd be one of these chicks on a day pass at every highschool dance. "You ask her, she's cute", "Yeah, fuck you, I heard she knifed a guy in the dick."
That facility is the court house in Lindsay now.

[gonavy47]

What's wrong with a corrective punch to the back, or a instructive bench to the head? It's probably just their method of teaching, passed down through the centuries, just like the benign practice of stoning for adultery. Perfectly understandable.

[sandorski]

andyt andyt:

And Sandorski - because we did it in the Residential School system, we should now turn a blind eye if it happens under our watch again. So we can apologize and pay reparations later, because it happened under our watch, and ultimately it's all the white man's fault, all those lesser races can't help themselves?

lolwut? Fail.

What part of, "I'm not going to say this article is pointing out an acceptable thing,", do you not understand?

[sandorski]

Unsound Unsound:

I think maybe Sand just has a different definition of xenophobia. To me xenophobia is a fear and hatred of other cultures based mostly on willing ignorance of anything about those cultures. What we have with most of us onthe forums is intelligent, articulate, informed people explaining their objections to certain practices within another culture. That's NOT xenophobia.

Just because we think it might be a good idea to ensure that those who are moving here are willing to conform with the ideals that make this country what it is, does not make us fearful or hateful. It makes us smart. We have a good thing here and we have an obligation to protect it.

We have the same definition, I isn't it, some of you are it. The denial is the difference.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

I'm looking at this and thinking about the muslim parents over here that don't want their kids taking phys-ed and music.

Let's look at an entirely plausible hypothetical scenario. A group of muslim parents complains to the shcool your kid(s) attends and the next thing you know, you get a letter from the school asking you to refrain from packing ham sandwiches or any other pork products in your kid's lunch. You know, just in case one of their kids comes into contact with it.
Once they figure out what the peanut ban is about, they'll jump right on a pork ban. Then the schools would also be forced to remove any pork products from their lunch programs and cafeteria menus.
And what kid in school that has pizza days, looks forward to a nice onion or green pepper pizza? Only a weird one

Then you'll get idiot PETA followers that see pork products have been banned, so they'll lobby to get all meat banned from the schools.
Next thing you know, our schools will be full of kids that aren't allowed to eat meat during school hours and only get to take dancing in phys-ed...well those that aren't excused from it that is.