[jj2424]

Yes, we wouldn't want a tanker spill mixing with all of Victoria's raw sewage.

They might accidentally clean up some shit when they mopped up the oil.

[martin14]

jj2424 jj2424:

Yes, we wouldn't want a tanker spill mixing with all of Victoria's raw sewage.

They might accidentally clean up some shit when they mopped up the oil.

Hey, the new reports now say the fish need our shit.

[Gunnair]

jj2424 jj2424:

Yes, we wouldn't want a tanker spill mixing with all of Victoria's raw sewage.

They might accidentally clean up some shit when they mopped up the oil.

Possibly. You may want to avoid that topic though - it uses things like science and facts. The type of thing avoided by the emotive knee jerk types.

[Gunnair]

martin14 martin14:

jj2424 jj2424:

Yes, we wouldn't want a tanker spill mixing with all of Victoria's raw sewage.

They might accidentally clean up some shit when they mopped up the oil.

Hey, the new reports now say the fish need our shit.

Really? Got a link?

[PJB]

Hey. What about the Port of Churchill?

[Gunnair]

PJB PJB:

Hey. What about the Port of Churchill?

That seems a good possibility. Cut down on cost of pipeline building over the shield.

[PJB]

Gunnair Gunnair:

PJB PJB:

Hey. What about the Port of Churchill?

That seems a good possibility. Cut down on cost of pipeline building over the shield.

The only major problem I could see is a shorter shipping season. Unless the Canadian government could see fit to build a few heavy duty ice-breakers to maintain a clear shipping lane without disturbing the environment too much.

[Zipperfish]

Thanos Thanos:

The Kitimat line wasn't the main problem. All those damn foreign-registered rattletrap tankers going into the sound was the greater danger. One tanker crash and it would have made a hundred pipeline bursts look like a walk in the park. Everyone wins with a west-to-east line.

This. The Hecate Strait is treachorous. The Douglas Channel is challening for even smaller vessels.

[Gunnair]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Thanos Thanos:

The Kitimat line wasn't the main problem. All those damn foreign-registered rattletrap tankers going into the sound was the greater danger. One tanker crash and it would have made a hundred pipeline bursts look like a walk in the park. Everyone wins with a west-to-east line.

This. The Hecate Strait is treachorous. The Douglas Channel is challening for even smaller vessels.

Yep.

[andyt]

One argument for shipping oil west instead of south was that we, sorry, Alberta, doesn't get world price when it's shipped south. Anybody know how shipping it east will play out in this regard?

Also, please explain they don't have upgraders at least in Alberta so they'd be shipping crude instead of bitumen?

[kilroy]

PJB PJB:

Gunnair Gunnair:

PJB PJB:

Hey. What about the Port of Churchill?

That seems a good possibility. Cut down on cost of pipeline building over the shield.

The only major problem I could see is a shorter shipping season. Unless the Canadian government could see fit to build a few heavy duty ice-breakers to maintain a clear shipping lane without disturbing the environment too much.

Well, and the plus side is that, with the climate change that we are bringing on by burning the oil as fast as we can, the quicker there will be longer seasons for shipping more...! Surprising that there are people who don't accept that scientific evidence, but seem to think the economy will improve rather than go downhill with our overuse.

[PJB]

kilroy. I agree that mankind is destroying the only home that we have but we are living in a world that is greedy and self driven so what do we do?

[kilroy]

PJB PJB:

kilroy. I agree that mankind is destroying the only home that we have but we are living in a world that is greedy and self driven so what do we do?

My opinion is that we can let it be understood that Canadians are willing to work it out so we make a beneficial impact on our part of the world. Using less, R and D'ing alternative energy, figuring out renewable resource potentials, there could even be a lot of credit in it for us.

[andyt]

No way Canada can have a meaningful effect on CO2 emissions all by itself. All it would do is to impoverish us. And, no way the world will ever get it together to reduce CO2 enough to make a real impact. Too many people being born every minute, all of whom want at least the living standard we have. What Canada can do by itself tho is learn to adapt to the change.

[Gunnair]

kilroy kilroy:

PJB PJB:

kilroy. I agree that mankind is destroying the only home that we have but we are living in a world that is greedy and self driven so what do we do?

My opinion is that we can let it be understood that Canadians are willing to work it out so we make a beneficial impact on our part of the world. Using less, R and D'ing alternative energy, figuring out renewable resource potentials, there could even be a lot of credit in it for us.

You know, as much as I'm a greenie treehugger, I wish other greenie treehuggers would bring more to the discussion than the vague pie in the sky dreams that address and amount to nothing.

After dumping on the way we do business, do you have something more substantive to bring in? For example, in BC, do we want to increase our dependence of green hydro power to the detriment of ecosystems that we destroy when we flood valleys or salmon habitats we destroy when we dam rivers - like the 100 or so kms of river valley for the Site C dam?

Green does not in any way shape or form equal good always. It also has a cost, but the lobbyists conveniently overlook that.