[BRAH]

Jane, you ignorant slut!

[xerxes]

It's interesting people always bring up Robert Byrd. He could not be more emblematic of the Democratic Party in this regard.

Yes, he was an unabashed racist and member of the KKK. But he also recanted later in life and changed his views.

$1:

See, for example, this exchange with CNN's Bernard Shaw in Dec. 1993:

Q: What has been your biggest mistake and your biggest success?

A: Well, it's easy to state what has been my biggest mistake. The greatest mistake I ever made was joining the Ku Klux Klan. And I've said that many times. But one cannot erase what he has done. He can only change his ways and his thoughts. That was an albatross around my neck that I will always wear. You will read it in my obituary that I was a member of the Ku Klux Klan.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/chatterbox/2002/12/what_about_byrd.html

[DrCaleb]

Getting rid of that ancient flag is just the first step. Getting rid of the attitude behind it will take a lot more work.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of that ancient flag is just the first step. Getting rid of the attitude behind it will take a lot more work.

Just make sure that in trying to get rid of that attitude that you're careful not to validate it.

[Unsound]

Not quite sure why this turned into a discussion about which political party was more racist in times when almost everyone was racist... doesn't seem to have much to do with the shooting or with the flag debate. Which, to be honest, is also kind of silly.

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of that ancient flag is just the first step. Getting rid of the attitude behind it will take a lot more work.

Wait until there's calls to ban Doctor Who because an episode offends someone. This is more then about the flag it's about censorship and hypocrisy. The Left supported the flag when it suited their political agenda.
Clinton-Gore 1992.

[martin14]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of that ancient flag is just the first step. Getting rid of the attitude behind it will take a lot more work.

If anything, getting rid of that flag will increase tensions, not lower them.

You have to notice though, this time the anti gun nuts seem to be very quiet.

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Getting rid of that ancient flag is just the first step. Getting rid of the attitude behind it will take a lot more work.

If anything, getting rid of that flag will increase tensions, not lower them.

You have to notice though, this time the anti gun nuts seem to be very quiet.

Obama tested the waters with comments about gun control but they rapidly fizzled mostly because the remaining incumbent Democrats in swing seats are already at a disadvantage going into 2016. They don't need to add to their problems.

Also, this:

[Public_Domain]

[andyt]

rickc rickc:

andyt andyt:

Sheesh, didn't know I said all that. With so few words too.

What were the republicans supposed to do? How about being for civil rights. I mean if the racists are joining your party, it's because your party is racist, no?

Did you read anything that I posted? The republicans were for civil rights.

As you said, were. You're all over the chronological map here. what does Lincoln have to do with dixie dems voting Repub after the civil rights bill? I think it's you who didn't read what i said, instead chose to project your stuff on me. Dems switching to Repubs because they don't favor civil rights for blacks, indicates very clearly that they felt more akin to the Repubs. And it sure worked, they've been voting against their economic interests ever since, would rather vote for Christ and keeping the ni****s down than putting money in their own pocket.

[BRAH]

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=general+lee&_sop=16&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=general+lee&_sacat=220
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Warner Brothers has jumped on the censorship bandwagon and will no longer be selling General Lee items with the flag on it which has made it a hot item on Ebay but they've banned the sale of all items with the flag meanwhile all Nazi memorabilia will still be available for sale.

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Obama tested the waters with comments about gun control but they rapidly fizzled mostly because the remaining incumbent Democrats in swing seats are already at a disadvantage going into 2016. They don't need to add to their problems.

BRAH BRAH:

Warner Brothers has jumped on the censorship bandwagon and will no longer be selling General Lee items with the flag on it which has made it a hot item on Ebay

In the USA, maybe, for a month, maybe.

Well, not to worry, you can still get all your good confederate stuff here in Europe.


http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_odkw=con ... e&_sacat=0

http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40 ... c=50&rt=nc


Oh yes businesses are having a morality moment..... not.

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Obama tested the waters with comments about gun control but they rapidly fizzled mostly because the remaining incumbent Democrats in swing seats are already at a disadvantage going into 2016. They don't need to add to their problems.

BRAH BRAH:

Warner Brothers has jumped on the censorship bandwagon and will no longer be selling General Lee items with the flag on it which has made it a hot item on Ebay

In the USA, maybe, for a month, maybe.

Well, not to worry, you can still get all your good confederate stuff here in Europe.


http://www.ebay.it/sch/i.html?_odkw=con ... e&_sacat=0

http://www.ebay.de/sch/i.html?_from=R40 ... c=50&rt=nc


Oh yes businesses are having a morality moment..... not.

Meanwhile.
The ‘Confederate Flag’ Never Called Me a Ni**er: But Blacks and Liberals Have

http://mychal-massie.com/premium/the-confederate-flag-never-called-me-a-nigger-but-blacks-and-liberals-have/
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This is blowing up in the Left's face.

[BRAH]

The Duke boys were white supremacists?

[rickc]

andyt andyt:

rickc rickc:

andyt andyt:

Sheesh, didn't know I said all that. With so few words too.

What were the republicans supposed to do? How about being for civil rights. I mean if the racists are joining your party, it's because your party is racist, no?

Did you read anything that I posted? The republicans were for civil rights.

As you said, were. You're all over the chronological map here. what does Lincoln have to do with dixie dems voting Repub after the civil rights bill? I think it's you who didn't read what i said, instead chose to project your stuff on me. Dems switching to Repubs because they don't favor civil rights for blacks, indicates very clearly that they felt more akin to the Repubs. And it sure worked, they've been voting against their economic interests ever since, would rather vote for Christ and keeping the ni****s down than putting money in their own pocket.

No they did not feel more akin to the republican party. The republicans were the first to offer a civil rights act under President Eisenhower. Look it up, its a fact. The democrats including Lyndon Johnson killed the legislation.
http://www.politifact.com/texas/stateme ... -proposal/

The dems killed the bill and then later passed it when they were in control of the white house to take the credit for the passage of legislation that years earlier they opposed. How hypocritical is that? It turns out that a higher per cent of republicans voted for the civil rights act of 1964 than dems did. 80% of the republicans in the house and senate voted for the bill. Less than 70% of the dems in the house and senate voted for the bill. The only ones filibustering the bill were democrats. Republican Everett Dirksen led the fight to end the filibusters.

I think that Unsound made a good point in this thread. We are getting offtrack here. Some asshole killed a bunch of innocent people. I threw my two cents in when someone other than you tried to pin this on the republicans. I called bullshit on that point. I stand by what I said. The southern democrats turned their backs on their principles. History backs me up on that point. It is not an opinion. There were only two parties at the time. They could either switch parties, and maintain political control of their region, or walk away from politics and lose control. They made their decision.

Since we are off topic on what party is to blame and what symbols are responsible, I will say that the confederate battle flag has no place being displayed at any government facility in the U.S. At best it is the flag of a defeated army. At worst it is a symbol that has been adopted by white supremacists, and other hate organizations. That flag was the battle flag of Robert E. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia. Even Robert E. Lee turned his back on that flag after the south lost the war. He declined an invitation from the Gettysburg Battlefield Memorial Association. He said in his letter: " I think it wiser moreover not to keep open the sores of war". There were no flags flown at his funeral. I think we all could learn from Robert E. Lee. He knew when to quit. He knew when the jig was up. He could have dragged the war on longer (as many in the south wanted too) if he wanted too. Only Robert E. Lee commanded enough respect in the south to end the war on his own. Not even the President of the confederate states had that kind of power. The civil war is over. Lets move on. Lets quit letting a symbol from the most decisive time in our history be relevant, and causing problems today. If the white supremacist want the flag, let them have it. It belongs on their lawns, and in museums only. Its way, way past time to remove a divisive symbol from all government facilities and state flags. Its not like this flag has been around these institutions since the civil war. Most of this shit started in the 1960's (during the civil rights era) a full century after the end of the civil war. I am not saying that the confederate battle flag is responsible for this massacre. Its not. I am saying that since the topic has been brought up due to this tragedy, it is way past time to bury all vestiges of this by gone era.